1960's era vs 1990's era of heavyweights

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  1. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    i've heard 90's v 70's. but i've never heard 90's vs 60's. so my question is what would be the match ups for the heavyweights? detailed descripton of the fights, and the winners.
     
  2. heavy_handss

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    it is close because you have a prime liston, ali and frazier 69. tyson was past his prime in the 90s, but you hve a peak holyfield, peak bowe and lewis, i think the the 60s had the best ali but overall the 90s had more great names, in the 70s you have a peak foreman ,ali,frazier,norton, holmes,young,lyle.. so the 70s are the best
     
  3. Dubblechin

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    It would be an interesting comparison, because the 1960s boxers would feature a prime Ali and a prime Frazier (AND Liston, forgot him the first time I posted this).

    But it would be important to have an accurate 1-10 listing for each decade. Overall, I think the 90s had more quality fighters than the 60s heavyweights. The lower top 10 might from the 90s might dominate the lower top 10 from the '60s, but who knows.

    Tyson wasn't at his best in the 90s and missed about five years of it - with all his prison time and license revocations.

    Who is rated number one in the 90s? Bowe? Lewis? Holyfield? Like Lewis, Bowe only officially lost once in the decade - via decision in the "fan man" fight even though he outlanded Holyfield by 100 punches in that bout.

    But Bowe looked really bad toward the end of his career.

    In the 1960s, Ali was probably #1 and Joe Frazier #2. In the 1990s, it might be #1 Bowe and #2 Lewis ... or vice versa. A prime Liston versus a Prime Holyfield at heavyweight would've been interesting. Same with a Prime Liston versus a 1990s version of Tyson.

    It all depends on having an accurate overall ratings from each decade, though.
     
  4. Mendoza

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    The 1990's has better depth, bigger fighters, & better punchers. I think the talent level in the 1990's combined with its depth is as good as any decade.

    1. Lewis
    2. Klitschko
    3. Klitschko
    4. Bowe
    5. Holyfield
    6. Ike
    7. Tyson
    8. Morrer
    9. Mercer
    10. Morrison
     
  5. Dubblechin

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    I agree. I always thought the 90s was no worse than the second-best decade for heavyweights. I wouldn't rate them like you did. I'd have the Klitschkos lower because they were still relatively new at the time. Vitali didn't even face Herbie Hide until the summer of 1999 and Wlad was still running out of gas against the like of Ross Puritty in 1998.

    But the 60s era having a prime Ali, Frazier and Liston in a decade is a great way to start off a head-to-head debate.
     
  6. JLP 6

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    This kills me.

    None of these guys fought each other in thier primes except for Holyfield and Bowe. Tyson was more of an 80's fighter because in the 90's he was beaten by Holyfield twice and did nothing else of note after that other than getting KO'ed by Lewis. The Klitschko brothers did nothing of real substance in the 90's to be compared with the prime 60's fighter. They are 2000's fighters.

    Bowe lost to a former Cruiser, beat him and did absolutley nothing else. Ibeabuchi showed promise and made some noise beating name fighters but he was really just a contender.

    Lennox was obviously the best out of the pack and a true 90's fighter. Holyfield was sketchy in the 90's with loses to Moorer, Bowe, and Lewis but had a couple of solid wins over Tyson.

    In the 60's you have

    Ali
    Frazier
    Liston
    Terrell
    Patterson
    Folley
    Bonavena
    Chuvalo
    Mathis
     
  7. mattdonnellon

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    My 60's guys were;
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    3-Liston
    4-Terrell
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    6-Ellis
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    8-Folley
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    10-Bonavena

    and the '90's?
    1-Lewis
    2-Bowe
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    5-Moorer
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    7-Foreman
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    9-McCall
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    Green winners, 5-5 draw!
     
  8. swagdelfadeel

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    no way holyfield beats liston, holyfield had the heart of a lion however in this sake he has to much heart for his own good, he would be sucked into a battle with arguably the hardest hitter of all time.
     
  9. Shake

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    Liston the hardest hitter of all-time?

    I think Eddie Machen would disagree. We should ask him once he wakes up from that tiff with Ingo.
     
  10. swagdelfadeel

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    please dont tell me ingo hit harder than liston.
     
  11. Dubblechin

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    Those are good lists. I really like your 60s list.

    Personally, I wouldn't include Moorer or McCall in my 90s list. I don't even know if I'd include Douglas. I know they won belts, but they didn't dominate year over year as much as guys like David Tua, Tommy Morrison ... even Andrew Golota.

    The 90s were very deep.

    I'd also include Vitali instead of Larry Holmes. Vitali wasn't beating guys any tougher than the guys Holmes was beating (until Vitali got to Hide), but Vitali was peaking and Holmes was fading over the decade.

    How does your list change if you, say, drop Moorer for Tua, lose Douglas and add Golota, add Morrison and lose McCall, and add Vitali in place of Holmes?

    * Plus, we haven't even brought up Ray Mercer, Razor Ruddock, Frank Bruno, Wladimir Klitschko, Henry Akinwande, Herbie Hide, Tim Witherspoon, etc.

    Loved the 90s.
     
  12. mr. magoo

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    This answer works for me.
     
  13. swagdelfadeel

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    i feel it is either liston or shavers because foreman pulled back, liston didn't and some people say liston still hit harder. so i think undoubtedly if liston pulled back he would hit much harder than foreman maybe evn harder than shavers.
     
  14. swagdelfadeel

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    no way bowe beats liston. liston is underrated as hell by you people. prime riddick bowe lost to evander holyfield. liston never lost in his prime.
     
  15. heavy_handss

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    jesus you would be a ****ing **** judge.. you are saying that a 90s holmes would beat a prime bonavena, or eddie machen beating 90-91 foreman? haha. plus you faced the guys that you wanted