1962 S.I article. Ingemar Johansson on Sonny Liston

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Perhaps one day you will make a post worth reading,and without any agenda, but I doubt it.Anyone with a lick of objectivity and sense knows Liston was superior to both Patterson and Johansson.Ingo was offered a million dollars to fight Liston but refused it. Liston is routinely in top ten all time lists Floyd and Ingo aren't!
     
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  2. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Where is the agenda in saying you might know as much about Sonny Liston as the guy who published an interview with Sonnys ghost?

    Either you do or you don't. Where's the agenda buddy?
     
  3. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Well I have seen a lists published where Sonny was listed bellow Patterson. Imagine that!

    I think you are being over sensitive. Sonny was a great fighter for sure, but great fighters do lose the odd fight in their prime even if they win a return bout. Sugar Ray Robinson won and lost titles a few times. There is nothing wrong in saying Sonny wins a series of fights with Ingo but could feasibly lose one time.

    Not that a fighter needs to be in a top ten list in order to be great, It is however, well documented that Sonny was not routinely in any top ten lists for a generation who knew him. Surprisingly Sonny is entirely absent from a great many published top ten lists before the 1980s.
     
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  4. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    I'm not your Buddy, I don't like you.
     
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  5. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    You don't like that I can question the stuff you have faith in. I don't think you like anyone you disagree with and most of the time you can't understand what you disagree with. Nobody has insulted you. It's not rational.
     
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  6. mcvey

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    I disagree with people and don't have any animosity towards them.I'm not a big Liston fan either I just don't like sly threads that purport to be what they are not.You credit yourself with far more acumen than I've seen any evidence of,I understand your posts and I see through them,you're not genuine and that's what I dislike about you.
     
  7. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Nothing sly about posting an interesting contemporary article demonstrating Ingmar Johansson thoughts on Liston ahead of his first fight with Patterson.
     
  8. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Don't expect it to stop. Choklab has this weird fetish with Liston. Very worrisome.
     
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  9. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    I welcome you to quote anything I have said that is remotely against Liston on this thread.
     
  10. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Your history indicates what Swag says is the truth.
     
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  11. Unforgiven

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    Liston was slow but not too slow to beat Patterson.
    Johansson's observations were fine but Patterson stood far less chance than anyone really realized. That's the benefit of hindsight.
     
  12. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    This is the crux of it. Hindsight.

    It's always different to look at a moment in time without hindsight of knowing.
     
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  13. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    My history is that bell ends like you and swag keep thinking it's "anti Liston" to unearth an interview with Ingo Johansson.
     
  14. Ronnie Raygun

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    Sonny was a bad muther ......
     
  15. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Funny, Johansson carping about Liston being "slow", as though he was a speed merchant himself. He did have a good, functional, range fiding left jab, and of course, his right was very efficiently deployed...but he wasn't, by any means "fast" fighter himself.