true about Williams, the Maine fiasco? I do believe after he was shot, there was no champion from 64-72 he could have beat: Terrell would outbox him as would Ellis, and Frazier would wear him down, and we all know how the Ali fight went. I thought he had a lot of heart though, the way he kept fighting afterwords, even getting Chuvalo's commendation for punching power and toughness.
Sonny Liston, after the the rematch in Maine against Ali in 1965, he faced mediocre opposition in Sweden. Promoters in the U. S. did not trust Sonny anymore because of his association with the underworld
I think that Sonny Liston beats the fighters listed, Ernie Terrell was on a roll at that particular time. He defeated both Eddie Machen and George Chuvalo during the year of 1965, then in 1966 he beat Doug Jones by decision. A Ernie Terrell vs Sonny Liston fight would have been very interesting, Liston used to say that Ernie Terrell Hugs More Than I Hug My Wife. Terrell had a peek a boo defense, a good left jab and wore opponents out with his clutching, grabbing and wrestling. Ali called him the Octopus, because of his long gangly arms. Terrell would have frustrated that version of Liston. But because Ernie lacks power in his punches, Liston wins it by an ugly unanimous decision.
It always irritated me when people said Terrell was a peek-a-boo fighter, but I don't think after the Ali rematch that Liston could beat Terrell, I mean he couldn't beat Leotis Martin. Liston probably would have beaten Terrell before the two losses to Ali, but from 65-67 Terrell had become a much better boxer whose jab was hard to penetrate. Liston had an equally good jab, if not better, but had a dwarf reach vs. Terrell's. Terrell had also become a very effective inside body puncher during these years.
Well, if you followed traditional seeding, where the top seed fights the lowest seed, it would begin with: 1. Ernie Terrell vs. 8) George Chuvalo 2. Sonny Liston vs. 7.) Doug Jones 3. Cleveland Williams vs. 6.) Floyd Patterson 4. Zora Folley vs. 5) Eddie Machen Then the winner of Terrell-Chuvalo would fight the Folley-Machen winner. And the winner of Liston-Jones would fight the winner of Williams-Patterson. Terrell fought Chuvalo in 1965 and won a decision. Folley already fought Machen twice and had a draw and a win. Sonny Liston would be a huge favorite over Jones, and he'd already knocked out BOTH Williams and Patterson twice. So it looks like the final would be Liston vs. the Terrell-Folley winner. (And Liston had already knocked out Folley, too.) (If Machen got thru, Terrell had a decision over Machen in 1965.) So Liston vs. Terrell in the finals. Kind of a blowout tournament.
Those four matchups end up with Terrell-Liston, Williams-Folley in my book. Terrell outjabs Chuvalo, Liston knocks out Jones after Jones wears down from the wicked pace, Williams is too wild for Patterson and knocks him out, and Folley outboxes Machen who is caught in one of his sleeping moods.
In tournaments, you don't usually pit the top two in the semifinals. That's why you rank them. So if no upsets occur, your final has the #1 against the #2.
Liston and Terrell would be deserving of the finals. Terrell beat Machen, Chuvalo and Jones in 1965/66 in real life. And Liston had dominated the others - Patterson, Williams and Folley (none of whom made it past three rounds with Sonny). In 1965, I'd still take Liston over Terrell. I don't think Sonny would "phantom punch" it.