1964-67 Ali vs Prime Tyson's opposition

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  1. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Muhammad Ali vs

    Trevor Berbick
    Bone crusher Smith
    Tony Tucker
    Tyrrell Biggs
    38 year old Larry Holmes
    Tony Tubbs
    Michael Spinks
    Carl Williams
    Frank Bruno
    Buster Douglas

    How does Ali do against these fighters? Do any upset the apple cart vs Ali?
     
  2. cleglue1

    cleglue1 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Id say he pretty much runs through them, however Bruno may give him a few problems. Maybe Spinks wins a few rounds on him.
     
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  3. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Spinks might.....I'd be interested to see how Ali handles Bruno's size
     
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  4. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Douglas and Tucker would be the most difficult, you'd think, but Ali never seemed too bothered with the classic boxer type. Berbick and Bruno were too slow.

    Perhaps Spinks awkwardness would confuse him a bit.
     
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  5. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    I think Ali would stop Spinks via late round TKO or UD, but I do think Spinks with his awkwardness will steal some of the rounds.
     
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  6. JWSoats

    JWSoats Active Member Full Member

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    I agree that Ali beats them all but overall will find this group a tougher challenge than those he faced in '64-'67.
     
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  7. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Don't know if I agree. Yes, Tyson's opponents were bigger and more powerful, while retaining a lot of skill. But that the fighters Ali fought that were most similar to the 80's bunch (Liston, Lyle and Foreman to Berbick, Smith and Bruno - Terrell and Bugner to Tucker, Williams, Biggs and Douglas - Mathis to Tubbs) seemed pretty easy for him to solve stylistically. Those that gave him most trouble in relation to their quality were pressure fighters with a high activity level and often a bit of an awkward style - like Jones, Mildenberger and Norton.
     
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  8. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    I guess what he may mean is the combination of size and strength in relation to skill....honestly, IMO, some of the 80s guys may have been a little better than some of the 70s guys and there were stylistic variations in there a well. If Ali fought Smith, I doubt it'd be like him fighting Foreman because Smith probably wouldn't come in wailing away like Foreman did (though I think Ali beats him convincingly).
     
  9. Pat M

    Pat M Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Who knows? Ali always had the physical advantage in the 60s against smaller, older, slower, and weaker men. With the group above Ali loses his height/length, strength advantage against Smith, Tucker, Holmes, Tubbs, Williams, Bruno, and Douglas. Ali probably wouldn't look nearly as fast in the ring with these big, athletic fighters either. Tubbs, Williams, and Tucker are all extremely quick too. Ali might beat them and he might not, beating the version of Cleveland Williams he fought and the tall, thin Terrell doesn't tell us much about how Ali would do against other big, fast boxers. Having to fight them one after the other makes it even tougher.
     
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  10. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Many would take issue with this, but you're right about him not having the advantages over this lot that he had in the 60's
     
  11. JWSoats

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    What you say is true and because he handled the bigger and skilled men of the '70 successfully is largely why I believe he beats all of Tyson's opponents. I am saying that Tyson's opponents, with their size, power, and skill would have given Ali more competition overall than Liston, Patterson, Chuvalo, Cooper, London, Mildenberger, Williams, Terrell, and Folley did. While Ali's '60s opponents were the best around, many of them were smaller, older men past their best who did not figure to give Ali much trouble.
     
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  12. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    I'd say that Ali would have a tougher time vs some of those bigger men.
     
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  13. Fergy

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    I'd say he defeat s em all,but a couple give him a decent fight. Tucker could be awkward. I don't see Ali knocking out Carl the truth as fast as Tyson. Spink s could provide a few Interesting rounds. Bruno fare's slightly better but still ends up stopped on the rope's.
    Buster v Ali could be a even fight for a while but I see Ali winning on point s .
     
  14. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Yeah this is more realistic than "Ali just wipes them all out". Carl Williams may actually put up a good fight for a minute
     
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  15. Grapefruit

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    Ali beats all of them.

    I think he would have alot of trouble with Michael spinks due to his awkwardness.

    And if buster Douglass came at ali like he did Tyson I think he would actually beat Ali by u.d. after knocking him down once in the fight.
     
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