1966 Ali vs 2013 Usyk in a 5 round WSB-style fight

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by NEETzschean, Apr 14, 2022.


Who takes it?

Poll closed Apr 21, 2022.

  1. Ali

    27 vote(s)
    64.3%

  2. Usyk

    15 vote(s)
    35.7%
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  1. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Ali: 24.75 years old, started boxing age 12, 88+ amateur bouts with 80+ wins (3 rounders, 264 rounds max) 25 pro (144 rounds contested)

    Usyk: 26.5 years old, started boxing age 15, 350 amateur bouts with 335 wins (3-4 rounders, 1050-1400 rounds max) 6 semi-pro (25 rounds contested)

    Ali had been knocked down twice in the previous 15 fights/4.5 years (Sonny Banks, Henry Cooper) hadn’t fought a southpaw for 6 years, he lost to at least two southpaws in the amateurs (Kent Green by KO, Amos Johnson by SD) and 2013 Usyk was heavier than 20/25 of Ali’s pre-Mildenberger opponents.
     
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  2. Bob Pfister PhD

    Bob Pfister PhD New Member banned Full Member

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    Usyk is better than anyone Ali has EVER faced!

    Tough call. I'm thinking the Ukranian Road Warrior!
     
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  3. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    Ali is better than anyone Usyk has EVER faced!

    Easy call. I'm thinking all roads lead to The Gypsy King!
     
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  4. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Usyk was a far better amateur than Ali or Fury.
     
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  5. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    True but nobody cares about amateurs.
     
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  6. Kiwi Casual

    Kiwi Casual Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Usyk takes it, though it would be a war. Ali is overrated by old timers wearing rose tinted glasses.
     
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  7. Toney F*** U

    Toney F*** U Boxing junkie Full Member

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    Usyk
     
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  8. djanders

    djanders Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Muhammad Ali would win a Unanimous Decision. And I like Usyk! But not against Ali.
     
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  9. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It's the kind of thing where I would still at this point pick Ali out of respect, but really, it could go either way. Ali had trouble agains the only Southpaw he fought in Mildenberger, citing it as one of his toughest. And Usyk really does have that Ali-like magic himself. After a pretty tough career to date, we have no evidence as of yet that Usyk can be beaten.

    Ask me again in five years.
     
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  10. LoadedGlove

    LoadedGlove Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Usyk doesn't lay a glove on perpetual motion '66 Ali, especially over 5 rounds.
     
    LoadedGlove, Apr 15, 2022
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  11. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    A small, chinny, pre-PED, 60's Euro level southpaw Karl Mildenberger laid plenty of gloves on 66' Ali, especially over the first [url]5 rounds[/url]. Boxing fans are hypnotised by the media hype machine.

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  12. Reppin501

    Reppin501 The People's Champ Full Member

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    Smfh…
     
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  13. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Top athletes from 60 years ago can't hang with modern athletes. There are skills, techniques, and stylistic elements of Ali that have rippled through time to affect every boxer fighting today. The same cannot be said about boxers of today having an effect on Ali. Time only flows one direction. A fighter like Usyk has many more dimensions to his game and has seen many, many more styles and skills than Ali. This is simply a product of era. There are gaps, by a modern standard, in the skillset of Ali that Usyk simply doesn't have.
     
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  14. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    Muhammad Ali did face Karl Mildenberger on Sept 10 1966 in Frankfurt, Germany, Ali stopped Mildenberger TKO 12. I saw that fight live on television on ABC's Wide World Of Sports
     
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  15. MorvidusStyle

    MorvidusStyle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Without trying to offend anyone, if you voted Ali, you are quite simply a muppet and a clown, an impressionable drone controlled by media myths and propaganda. You need to stop having opinions and possibly even evacuate the planet. There is no reason for you to continue your life. It is pointless.

    Even just the concept of 'Elite Olympic athlete of the 2000s versus 60s prize fighter' is enough to tell you what happens here.

    But Usyk is a special talent even in the modern era.

    What happens in this fight? Ali is beaten to a pulp. He doesn't have the power to trouble Usyk, he doesn't have the size to trouble Usyk, he doesn't have the defence to trouble Usyk. He doesn't even have a genuine puncher's chance, unlike someone like Foreman or other power punchers of the era.

    Get out of your Murican idol fantasy and join the real biological world. Usyk is superior to your false boxing god Cassius Clay.
     
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