1966 Ali vs 2013 Usyk in a 5 round WSB-style fight

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by NEETzschean, Apr 14, 2022.


Who takes it?

Poll closed Apr 21, 2022.

  1. Ali

    27 vote(s)
    64.3%

  2. Usyk

    15 vote(s)
    35.7%
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  1. Pugilist_Spec

    Pugilist_Spec Hands Of Stone Full Member

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    Some People on Here seriously need to get laid.
     
    Pugilist_Spec, Apr 16, 2022
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  2. Pugilist_Spec

    Pugilist_Spec Hands Of Stone Full Member

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    This is just ****ing bull****. Either you know how to fight or you don't. Half of these boxers are morons who would be in jail if they didnt have a boxing license, youre acting Like they are some hyperanalytical students of the game that wake up at 4 AM to analyze footage and work on their footwork LMAO.

    Seriously, look at all the late startera in the heavyweights nowadays, look at crude guys Like Wilder, Whyte, Ruiz...none of them have the amateur experience od Usyk and yet they are competing at the same level, ****ing Chisora had him on fumes and a prime Muhammad Ali is outmatched because hurr durr modern athletes while 2 lineal champs in the last 5 years were 300 pound tubs of lard.
     
    Pugilist_Spec, Apr 16, 2022
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  3. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    "youre acting Like they are some hyperanalytical students of the game that wake up at 4 AM to analyze footage and work on their footwork LMAO"

    That's what coaches are for but unlike Ali and other 78 IQ boxers of the world, Usyk has a good brain and is very disciplined. This "either you can fight or you can't" concept implies that guys from the 1700's with no idea of modern boxing theory could be competitive with modern athletes. It implies that unlike every single other sport ever, boxing has remained static in the last 50+ years.

    "Seriously, look at all the late startera in the heavyweights nowadays"

    Ron Lyle started boxing in his mid-late 20's, had a short amateur career and turned pro at 30, yet he was still very competitive with Ali and Foreman. The top 10's of the 70's were littered with names like Randy Neumann, Jack Bodell and Domingo D'Elia, guys I wouldn't give a prayer against Chisora. 6' small cruiser Jerry Quarry was often in the top 5; beat Lyle, Shavers, Patterson, I don't think Quarry would be near the top 20 today. Ali is outmatched because his era is grossly overrated and there is no reason to believe that someone who struggled with southpaw *Mildenberger* in his athletic prime would have any chance against a modern athlete like Usyk, who has every advantage and has no doubt studied Ali extensively.

    "2 lineal champs in the last 5 years were 300 pound tubs of lard"

    Ruiz wasn't a lineal champion and is far from the worst fighter to upset a prominent heavyweight champion: from the Ali era, Liston and Norton both lost to journeymen. Fury has never entered the ring weighing more than 277 lbs and it's especially ironic as Ali had a habit of ballooning up in weight during layoffs.
     
    NEETzschean, Apr 16, 2022
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  4. Betyabeatyaup

    Betyabeatyaup Active Member Full Member

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    People forget that Ali was difficult because he fought in a style that was fairly new (borrowed from Robinson), so a lot of his success was due to being unusual as a heavyweight.
    Today his style is seen all over the place. Ali has never seen a modern style like Usyk’s, that is even unique for today.
    It doesn’t even make sense to compare them, we have no idea what they would look like in different eras. It’s unfair to give a straight comparison because Usyk would obviously beat him with ease based on the straight head to head eye test and evolution of boxing.
     
    Betyabeatyaup, Apr 16, 2022
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  5. Pugilist_Spec

    Pugilist_Spec Hands Of Stone Full Member

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    Why exactly are we assuming that boxing technique evolves with every era?

    Boxing is pretty straightforward and the rules have been mostly the same for a 100 years. This isnt 20 People tossing a ball on a massive field which allows for a million strategies. Its two People standing in front of each other throwing their fists.

    Just how many innovative ways are there to throw, block and Dodge a punch?
     
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