(1966) Muhammad Ali vs (2019) Deontay Wilder

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Who wins?

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  2. Wildr

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  1. bluebird

    bluebird Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He weighed 212 3/4 LBS vs Cleveland Williams, the fight considered his prime. Wilder weighed 212 1/2 LBS vs Tyson Fury!

    Wilder only has height, reach and power over Ali.
     
  2. ertwin

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    Wilder is cut to the end. Ali was fat as fuk by today standarts. He rarely had visual abdominal muscles.
     
  3. Wasteman

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    This is a bridge too far IMO. Ali would toy with him much like Fury. What Ali lacks in height and reach he makes up for in other areas where Deontay is demonstrably lacking. He also has Wilder matched in terms of speed and athleticism. I say he quite literally dances rings around a frustrated Wilder and may even score a late TKO if Wilder gets too sloppy looking for that big right hand of his.
     
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  4. ertwin

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    Dude fury has got 16 cm or 6.5 inches and more then 40 lbs on ali.
     
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    john roberts Member Full Member

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    I’m afraid fury is onl 6ft7
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    here he is next to 6 ft 6 Klitschko which means he’s only an inch taller than terell and Ali easily negated the height, and as far as the extra 40lbs is concerned, that’s why he is a lot slower than Ali because he is much heavier and still he kept away from wilder for 12 rounds and as Ali and wilder are roughly the same weight its to Ali’s advantage to be lighter than slow ponderous fury.
     
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  6. Official Scorecard

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    I do! Plus if he caught Ali, he would have caught him while moving, it would have taken a lot of power off of that right hand. Ali wasn't some of those fat cement footed bums Wilder knocked out.
     
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  7. ertwin

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    So many flaws in this post.
    1. wlad was wearing shoes with plateus on them. Fury pointed that out multiple times. It was 1 of the many mind games of wlad like changing the ring surface. Go watch the fight when they booth had to wear boxing shoes. It is a 3 inch difference indeed. According to you wilder and fury would be around the same height but it was evident that fury was taller then wilder. So he must have an 6 inch advantage on ali .

    2. wilder and ali are not the same weight. Ali is a fat fuk compared to wilder and people need to stop bringing up that fury fight were wilder was at his lowest weight. Wilder easily holds 30 lbs of clean muscle mass over ali. Ali was always chubby on the scales even in his prime days. Wilder has a bodyfat precemtage around 10%.

    3. dude that speed argument is like the most stupid thing. Of course ali is faster then fury but fury reach is fukin 7,5 inches longer. By that logic pacquai could overcome the reach advantage of light heavyweights cause hes way faster then them, get real.
     
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  8. ertwin

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    Dude this is no welterweight, if a hw lands on you with a flush shot then its lights out. Movements gonna do crap for you at hw.
    Especially if wilder lands on you with giant reach its gonna be lights out.
    I mean seriously if ali would have never been on the floor then i would really give him the benefit of the doubt but the guy was floored and rocked by so many guys and none of them is even close in terms of physique, nutrition, ped and brutal force then todays hw, how on earth should he take wilders right hand.



    Even tyson states the obvisious.
     
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    That’s the biggest load of crap ever here is fury next to a real 6ft9man
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    here he is next to 6ft 8 price
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    here he is next to 6ft 6 Joyce
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    I suppose they are all wearing built up shoes lol as far as weights concerned Ali was only 25 years old in 1966 and used to train down to the 212-215 weights to keep his speed against the smaller heavy weights of the time as you keep pointing out, after the exile when he was in his late twenties he fought 3 time, eg in 1971 ALi came inagainst Frazier at 215 then 226 for Mathis and back down to 220 forJuergen blin in the same year, proving that his weight can be adjusted to heavier opponents so I would say they are the same weight him and wilder, also Ali wasn’t fat at 212-15
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    not fat at all and wilder is a few inches taller to move the weight around. But so what if he wasn’t ripped to shreds half the heavyweight out there today are fat pigs talk about contradiction.and as far as reach is concerned you know Ali as fought numerous fighters with reaches around the same as fury and more than wilder and as we have seen in the past and most recently with Joshua- Ruiz reach don’t mean sh—t so stop with the bull****.
     
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  11. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft The Cobra will always bite back... Full Member

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    Ali has possibly the most proven chin off all time and Wilder failed to drop Duhaupas. I think it was a given that Ali would take Wilders power if I'm completely honest.

    Fury also took Wilder's power so it's clearly possible
     
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  12. ertwin

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    Duhaupas ear muffs on all the time. Ali chin straight in the air. What means proven. He got koed and droped multiple times.
     
  13. Aydamn

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    And I suppose you think Fury is a fat cemented guy who doesnt move well except he was caught badly twice?

    Fury who has way more range than ALi to be able to avoid shots and keep opponent at range
     
  14. George Crowcroft

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    He was dropped less than five times in his career and was never KOed.

    He landed flush on Duhaupas face, hence the cuts. He just couldn't drop him.

    Ali kept the corresponding hand up to his opponents best punch, so for Frazier, Liston and Patterson he kept his right hand up. For Shavers and Lyle he kept his left hand up. He took Shavers bombs, he took Foreman's bombs and he took Listons bombs. He'd take Wilder's.
     
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    Hahahahahahaha the guy that got sd by leon spinks with 6 wins and a draw and 6‘1 sure hahahah
     


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