(1966) Muhammad Ali vs (2019) Deontay Wilder

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by bluebird, Aug 9, 2019.



Who wins?

  1. Ali

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  2. Wildr

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  1. gerryb

    gerryb Active Member Full Member

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    Id suggest you watch Ali vs Williams,Ali moved at a top pace on his toes.
     
  2. Official Scorecard

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    What's your point, trying to convince me in something when I gave you the clear reasons why it wouldn't happen??? Look IDGAF, if it means so much to you, you can have it - you're right, I'm wrong, do you feel any better now? Just remember I'm the part of 85% that voted for Ali, you're in the other 15%.
     
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  3. ertwin

    ertwin Member Full Member

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    Wtf? 99.99999% of people believed in medieval age that the sun turned around the globe and not the other way around. It doesnt mean **** what the majority thinks, what counts are facts.
     
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    Ok it also means Wilder is TBE, I agree with you, still not feeling any better?
     
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  5. ertwin

    ertwin Member Full Member

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    Just watched it, the fight is 2.5 rounds long.....
    In the other fights of alis prime he just starts to stand from time to time somewhere around round 4-5 and thats nothing special its just human to take time off but against a much taller guy with such a brutal right hand and explosiveness it would mean lights out.
     
  6. ertwin

    ertwin Member Full Member

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    Man i dont even like wilder, fury is way better and will kick his ass if he is proper prepared for the rematch. You just have no arguments and just talk crap. Why is it so hard fot you to say that i am right in a noz sarcastic way. I would say the same if you had legit prove that ali was better.
     
  7. DavidC77

    DavidC77 Member Full Member

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    Judging by the vote, there are 14 members of Wilder's family that use this forum.
     
  8. Southpawology

    Southpawology Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I cannot begin to fathom the drivel I have read in some of these posts
     
  9. ertwin

    ertwin Member Full Member

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    Enlighten me then
     
  10. john roberts

    john roberts Member Full Member

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    Are you saying that fighters that are 20-30lbs heavier than a lot of fighters from the seventies and eighties bob and weave ,parry, feint, move as much with faster footwork to avoid punches and make people miss.? I don’t think so the modern heavy today on the whole is more obsessed with bulk for throwing power shots, surely you can’t deny that can you?
     
  11. ertwin

    ertwin Member Full Member

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    Its not that they bulk to throw power shots, it is much more the case that hw fighters today try to oneshot their opponents cause it is much saver then going in and giving into an uncontrolled infight. You hardly see real infight in hw today, its mostly long range and then short bursts of half distance like aj vs ruiz, but often fights are completely fought on the outside. Bob and weave on auto pilot is just so dangerous.
    go into a ring and try it out, you are just so open to uppercuts and backstep counters.
    The whole concept of super hw fighting strats started with ali and then developed through Holmes with lewis being the first guy to fight more or less like guys nowadays. Staying outside at any cost, maximize your reach, dont give into dangerous exchanges, jab, cross and left hook as single punches or max 2-3 combos and short punishment if the other guy tries to come in to close the gap. It looks boring but is the most effective way to box at hw for almost 25 years now.

    To your points:

    Faster footwork: yes true. Old era could move smoother but that has alot do to with the difference in height and weight and wouldnt make that up.

    Bob and weave: as i said nobody does that cause it is ridiculously unsafe. Watch frazier foreman. People didnt throw as precise and brutal back then nor had they the mass, so you could get through with it.
    Tyson did give it a comeback

    Parrys: On general super unsafe. Look at wlad vs pulev to see how dangerous that is. Therefore not a lot of people to that.

    The whole, fast make miss argument: nowadays fighters really try to catch you with counters that are much shorter or direct. Like ceossing on the inside of a hook. Look at wilder szpilka for that, or the punch ortiz landed on wilder in the 7th. Super short and effective.
     
  12. john roberts

    john roberts Member Full Member

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    Well I don’t agree with any of that, Ruiz parried very well against joshua if you watch that fight he punches his forearm away a few times to parry his jab, nobody bob and weaves or moves side to side because they can’t and are too slow. That’s why it dangerous for them. Short hooks have been used forever, I personally think the skill level has dropped because relying too much on weight and power, but I don’t think me and you will agree and we could circle each other all week with counter arguments so I think we will leave it there until the next entertaining thread ,See you there.
     
  13. ertwin

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    Sticking your forearm out is not parring and is only underlining my argument that hw boxing has become fencing.
    Nobody in no weight class bobs and weaves like the old guys and some guy would have the fitness.
    Show me a clip of a shot as short, direct and through the middle as the right hand wilder threw against ortiz or the hook ortiz caught wilder with.

    Feel free to not answer if you dont want to
     
  14. john roberts

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    Well IMO punching someone s arm out of the way when trying to jab you is a form of parrying, and a straight punch down the pipe is a straight punch down the pipe, I don’t see no new miracle of punching in todays HW scene the straight right foreman laid on Moorer was shorter and more direct and more devastating.it didn’t look as explosive but it obviously was.I would say Ali straight right against mildenberger was of a better standard where he knocks him head over heels if not Quite as powerful, And mike Tyson used to throw hooks better than those all the time. The short hook he hit Berbick with to win the title was better, when berbick did the falling down get up trick, wilder walked into that right hook, In fact the wilder Ortiz fight just looked wild, open and sloppy to me, probably down to wilders poor technique, if you are trying to tell me over the last twenty years punches have changed well I haven’t seen it but I guess we are just seeing things in a different way, that’s my opinion and I suppose that’s what forums are about, difference of opinion.
     
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  15. ertwin

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    Sorry but really no. Foreman shot was indeed short, but the fight took place in 1995 thats not even 25 years from now. But look it up on yt and compare it with wilder right hand in the 5th. Wilders hand is way faster more dynamic and direct. You can see how he really throws his hips into the shots and thus gets way more drive on the shot. And yes tyson was indeed a way better hooker then many boxers of today, but you see i thought we were talking the ali era and prioir and not the 90s that said the first standarts for the hws of today.