(1966) Muhammad Ali vs (2019) Deontay Wilder

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Who wins?

  1. Ali

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  2. Wildr

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  1. john roberts

    john roberts Member Full Member

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    You did mention last twenty five years earlier but Foreman is from the Ali era he just walked into another era, and the Ali straight is from the Ali era obviously , joe Louis threw short sharp hooks as well and yes wilder has got some whip on his punches but to be honest he’s not your typical modern heavy, they seem to be bulkier and heavier,or muscle bound, slower if anything , other than his lack of skill I would put him more in the old fighters type camp than now. I have looked it up it’s very hard to judge 40-50 year old grainy footage with today’s hi tec graphic stuff but there is no way I will be convinced that heavyweight s from today throw punches better or faster than the old fighters on the whole, of course there are exceptions like in any era but like I say one mans rocks are another mans diamonds. And as far as this thread is concerned I think it’s ran it’s course, I think Ali whoops wilder, you think wilder knocks him cold let’s leave at that what do you reckon?
     
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  2. ertwin

    ertwin Member Full Member

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    Ok
     
  3. Ken Ashcroft

    Ken Ashcroft Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Wasn’t there a similar Ali vs Joshua thread not so long ago that also seem to drag endlessly on and on? Seems to be no sign or mention of it since Joshua lost. I suspect this thread will go on and on as well until Wilder also suffers a defeat whenever that may be.
     
  4. bluebird

    bluebird Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I just can't see Wilder touching Ali. Different class of boxers.

    Prime Ali = A+ Speed, A+ Stamina, A+ Footwork, A+ Heart & Toughness, A+ Head Movement, A Boxing IQ, B Power

    Prime Wilder = A+ Power, A Speed, A Chin, A Heart & Toughness, B Stamina, C Footwork, C Head movement, C Boxing IQ
     
  5. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    Wilder's main problem is his punch technique imo. It's pretty awful for a guy of his level. Real good fighters would exploit that big time with counters.
     
  6. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft The Cobra Will Always Bite Back... Full Member

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    It's definitely not an A level chin. A level chins are left drooling by Luis Ortiz and rocked bad by Duhaupas, Molina or Spzilka.
    They also aren't dropped by Sconiers or Nichols
    I'd say it's better than that.
     
  7. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails Full Member

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    Ali outboxes him easily.
    Wilder had problems with Szpilka's boxing lol.
     
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  8. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails Full Member

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    Ali's stamina could be inconsistent, but at his best it was 'A'.
     
  9. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft The Cobra Will Always Bite Back... Full Member

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    It was Wilder's that I said should be higher
     
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  10. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails Full Member

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    Oh.
     
  11. ray fritz

    ray fritz Active Member Full Member

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    modern heavy Wilder too much power Ali never seen,plus quick
     
  12. ertwin

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    You can look up all my posts, i was the first to trash joshua and say wilder is 1000x. You guys will see when they finale share a square.
    Fury is of course the real nr . 1
     
  13. Boxing2019

    Boxing2019 Active Member Full Member

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    "Phantom punch" by Ali at 3rd round.
     
  14. bluebird

    bluebird Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wilder's chin seems solid. God knows he's been hit enough.

    Gave his stamina a 'B' because he was gassed after throwing combo vs a fat 2 year lay off Fury despite only being 209 lbs. Ali could dance and move around the ring for 12 rounds.
     
  15. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft The Cobra Will Always Bite Back... Full Member

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    Agree to disagree
    15 rounds* he was a beast
     


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