(1966) Muhammad Ali vs (2019) Deontay Wilder

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Who wins?

  1. Ali

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  2. Wildr

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  1. Aydamn

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  2. john roberts

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    First of all if it took wilder 12 round to catch a lummox like fury whose speed is not really foot based it’s more going to the ropes and bending and slipping shots then Ali would easily be out of the way for the full 12.also usyk is system based fighter ie trained in fundamentals which means if you are good enough and fast enough he’s easy to work out and prepare for. it just so happens that at the moment he hasn’t come across that person yet but he will. Whereby Ali is unique. he is a reflex fighter who reacts to what the other fighter does in the moment so you can’t prepare for or read,so at his absolute peak which we didn’t see but 66 is close enough he is very difficult to beat he is also faster than usyk but after saying that I still think usyk beats wilder, I don’t think we will agree and I ain’t got all night so hows about we speak again if wilder gets the balls to fight usyk. Deal.
     
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  3. George Crowcroft

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    I've seen every title fight Ali had in the 60s, some multiple times. The night he pummeled and schooled Cleveland Williams he was almost unbeatable. Now Williams in 66 is not Deontay Wilder hence why Wilder last longer and has a much higher puncher's chance.
    I don't see it. Splika had no where near the skill, speed, footwork or anything of Ali and Ali's chin was granite. Much, much and I repeat much better than Duhaupas's.

    He may get caught, although I doubt it would be completely flush, and could be KOed but the more likely scenario is Wilder gets seriously embarrassed and can't keep up with the pace Ali would set and the speed everything would be coming at him.
    Fury isn't Ali.
    That's the bottom line

    Splika, who is closer to Ali's dimensions, did a better job of outboxing Wilder. He isn't nearly a better boxer but he did better before the KO. Ali wouldn't be in a position to be caught like that.
    Speed Kills

    Ali is levels and leagues ahead of Fury in terms of speed. Wilder's face would be bruised and battered like never before. He'd look like he'd stuck his face in a nettle bush and then rubbed Holly on it
    Speed>Weight
    There's a cut off of when that changes hit when the two have similar power levels, speed > weight.

    At the lower weights it's different, but @The Undefeated Lachbuster could explain more to you about that.
    You don't need the power of Wilder to KO Wilder.
     
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  5. The Undefeated Lachbuster

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    Incredible how there are people who think Wilder is a better fighter than Ali
     
  6. George Crowcroft

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    Well he is unquestionably the best athlete to ever "rule" the HW division...
     
  7. MorvidusStyle

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    Jesus Christ, Ali would have to avoid Wilder for 12 because he isn't KO'ing him. Ali takes too many punches to avoid Wilder's bombs. The guy had brain damage because his defensive skills were clearly massively overrated. Now face a guy who is fast and rangy, with faster hands and a bigger punch than KO fighters of that era like Foreman. If Wilder can catch fast/elusive fighters like Haye and Fury, he can catch Ali. Wilder would land and KO him cold. It would be funny as hell.
     
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  8. Aydamn

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    Incredible how no one has said that.
     
  9. Aydamn

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    True, Ali was quick, nimble, slick, but still got caught a lot. And ultimately gave him parkinsons.

    Unfortunate evidence of a man who got hit too much. Wilder needs one punch, no matter if your chin is granite, granite can be broken.
     
  10. The Undefeated Lachbuster

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    Yes rule a whole 1/5th of it, amazing athlete
     
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  11. George Crowcroft

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    People have definitely said that.

    My dad has....
     
  12. dinovelvet

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    Joe Bugner was a much better boxer than Wilder.
     
  13. Aydamn

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    I am sorry to hear that
     
  14. George Crowcroft

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    And Klitschko

    Never forget
     
  15. George Crowcroft

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    As was I. It made me seriously question whether my mum was a dutty....