(1966) Muhammad Ali vs (2019) Deontay Wilder

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by bluebird, Aug 9, 2019.


Who wins?

  1. Ali

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  2. Wildr

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  1. ertwin

    ertwin Active Member Full Member

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    You guys are clowns. He isnt a technique master but he still won a bronze medal at the olympics and is a decorated amateur. If you have any experience in amateur boxing you would know that you need to be a solid well rounded boxer that can throw schoolbook straight hands to come so far.
     
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  2. Boxing2019

    Boxing2019 If you can dream it, you can do it Full Member

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    Wilder's chin is better than his technique ...that is poor!
     
  3. ertwin

    ertwin Active Member Full Member

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    So how did he then win that bronze medal?
     
  4. Boxing2019

    Boxing2019 If you can dream it, you can do it Full Member

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    Wilder was saved by the bell against the old Ortiz! Fury dominated him!
     
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  5. Boxing2019

    Boxing2019 If you can dream it, you can do it Full Member

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    He won the bronze medal because he had also in those times a poor technique and because he was not powerful like now!
     
  6. ertwin

    ertwin Active Member Full Member

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    That doesnt make sense but thats not unusual with ali fans.
     
  7. Boxing2019

    Boxing2019 If you can dream it, you can do it Full Member

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    Alì wasn't a bomber but yet won against many dangerous guys...why? Answer: there are human beings who are not what they seem...people who seeing them one could say: I can beat those guys even blinded. Many boxers have made this consideration before fighting Alì...all of them (except Holmes but Ali was already sick) have been defeated.. why? because Alì's power came also from what he embodied and the defeat of Foreman was a clear example of this invisible power who only Alì and the greatests have.
     
  8. Jacko

    Jacko Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Fury didn't get up of the canvas due to luck. It was because, unlike the other statues who Wilder has knocked out, Fury actually moved away from the punch to take some sting out of it.

    A pre ban Ali would do the same as he is quicker and has better footwork than Fury. Ali got hit more after his exile, but before it he was very elusive.

    Wilder has a punchers chance, obviously, but when you consider that Wilder has poor boxing skills, is a one trick pony (jab, straight right), has a low ring IQ, and is facing an elusive fighter who always has his mind on defense and is looking to draw leads and slip them, has a great chin and has a great ring IQ so would be able to figure out Wilder's predictable attacks, then I think Wilder's punchers chance is incredibly slim.

    Wilder has tremendous power and he is athletic, but ring IQ, technique and not being predictable are very important. If Wilder had these, he would have knocked Fury out. He doesn't though, so he got a disputed draw.

    Ali wide UD.
     
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  9. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Whyte #CLEARED like I said he would be Full Member

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    Muhammed Ali had a good chin but was simply too hittable he wasnt as illusive as people make out to be and with 4 to 5 inch height disadvantage against Wilder who hit harder than anyone Ali fought he would struggle with those shots
     
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  10. Jacko

    Jacko Boxing Addict Full Member

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    All but one of the fights in that video are all after Ali's exile when he was far less mobile and elusive. Some of those fights are way after his prime (Spinks, Holmes, etc).

    Even in a lot of those fights, you will see that Ali could be tagged by the left hook. This is a punch that really isn't in Wilder's arsenal.
     
  11. john roberts

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    I think you are missing the point of this thread. This is wilder of 2019 v Ali 66 every fight on this video other than the cooper fight is after Ali 4 yr exile where his reflexes and speed had deteriorated, the cooper fight as you know because we have spoke of this before is of a 21 year old 19 fight green showing off Ali the difference between Ali of 63 and 66 is night and day .and around 66 wilder as no chance because Ali was too fast to be hit like he did in any of those vids because he was at the best we would see him. You are being deliberately silly again.
     
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  12. ertwin

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    Prime Muhammad Ali (1960s) (median weight 199 lbs) would be BY FAR THE LIGHTEST opponent the Klitschkos have ever faced. In fact, Cassius Clay would be so light he wouldn't be allowed to box a Klitschko.

    The weight of Prime Ali opponents was a median 196 lbs.

    The Klitschkos on the other hand (median weight approx. 240 lbs) would be BY FAR THE HEAVIEST opponents Prime ali has faced.

    Please note that Ali's KO'ratio diminished rapidly as soon as opponents got heavier.

    Muhammad Ali outweighed most of his opponents (73% of his fights). The end of the day he is the same kind of weight bully like modern day hws.


    I dont have stats to the big 3 of nowadays but they are roughly wlads and vitalis size.
     
  13. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft The Cobra Will Always Bite Back... Full Member

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    Ken Ashcroft Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Funny seeing how opinions can vary so much on matchups between current fighters and fighters from the past from posters who mainly post on here on General and fans who like to post on Classic at well.:machinegun::mgwhore:
     
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    The moment Wilder falls over on his own feet from throwing from half way across the ring Ali punishes him with multiple shots to the head. Rinse, repeat for 12 rounds or until the ref has seen enough and ends it.
     
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