1967 Muhammad Ali vs. 2007 Wladimir Klitschko

:good :good :good :good :good :good :good :yep AMEN ! Exellent post !

 

Itsfunny because Ive never seen this claim ! i see your bullshiting again to try and boost your rediculous opinions ! :hi:

 

lol, i can tell this thread was created to bring out the Wlad trolls, well since its 16 pages long i take it, it has worked!

 

"You're an idiot", and what follows in yourm post makes little sense!!!!!!!!!! Did I say Ali's a God and it's sacrilege to think he could'nt get beat? No! I just do not think Wlad would be able to in a fantasy match. Could Wlad win? Sure, but I pick Ali.

You said, "I'm talking about Ali vs Henry Cooper and you're talking about Foreman vs Ali." Later you said " i'm not questioning Foreman nor Ali's careers and past achievements." You are contradicting yourself, by bringing up Cooper you ARE questioning Ali's career and past achievements. Why stop with Cooper. Why is it ok to bring up the Cooper fight to argue Ali's vulnerabilities, but then be offended by my bringing up the Foreman fight to show otherwise? Hell, I didn't even mention Frazier, Norton, Liston, Shavers, Quarry etc..... It must be some kind of miracle that Ali barely survived Cooper and still was not KO'd by any of these other guys. How is that possible?

 

I AM NOT questioning ali's career you daft ***** !...Just forget it.
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This is so funny. Ali survives the first round against a guy who weighs 30 lbs more when he was decked by a 189 pounder??

 

Klit has a shaky chin and with Ali' speed, one of those shots would slip home without Vlad ever seeing it, lights out. Ali is 6'3'' and knocked out monsters like Foreman and Liston. Ali would use angles and his incredible hand and foot speed against the plodding Vlad, its over in 8. Ali had a chin proven against Frazier, Foreman etc the examples are endless.

 

Ali's chin was ridiclious. Look at the punchers he got in there with; Frazier. Foreman, and Lyle to name three. Hit with a flush left hook by Frazier late in the fight, a 15th round f igh t, and gets straight back up? Ridiclious. If Those guys can't knockout Ali, neither can Wlad, who is a joke by the way. Size alone won't get you a win over Ali, who was 6'2 himself.

Way I see it, Wlad has too bad losses in one of the worst Heavyweight era's ever, and for that reason I refuse to mention him in the same breathe as Ali.

 

Wladimir will definitely give Ali fits. Norton had a glass jaw but good boxing ability; Wlad is in a similar position except that he has faster hands, longer reach (and larger overal size) and much more power.

However, i think Ali will find a way to win and he's got tons of speed himself, i think he'd win 2 out of 3.

 

This is obviously the wrong post for you then. You have to look @ the careers of both fighters to make a reasonable assessment head to head.

 

I'm impressed. You are obviously a very experienced fight fan and I appreciate your post. You had alot to say and it made alot of sense to me. Young did have George's no., but you rarely hear of it, because he is an ATG and you could be accused of the "sacrilage" issue.
It only supports a theory that all fighters have an achilles heel-even ATG's--Norton was Ali's achilles heel, Douglas may have been Tyson's, maybe Sanders is to Wlad,. so this thread isn't so outlandish as some have claimed.
Thanks.

 

Yes... hahahaha.

MUHAMMED ****ING ALI is the same as Chris Byrd...

 

Ali has better head and foot movement than anyone Klit has ever fought. Wlad would have a much tougher time finding Ali with his jab than he does finding a sam peter or a lamon brewster.

Ali was faster than anyone Klit ever fought, he had a great jab and left hook that he could throw from all different angles. Klitschkos defense relies too much on his jab and Ali seems as if he would be able to sidestep it and land shots of his own.

Also, Wlad has a bit of a suspect chin, and Ali does not. I do believe that Klitschko COULD theoretically KO ali, sure, but the thing is, I can't imagine Ali getting beat down in the same way that Brewster or Peter were. Ali had an amazing ability to recover, an amazing ability to stay fresh all the way through a fight.

Ali could take Wlad into the later rounds. If Klit MISSES his jab over and over, chasing ali around the ring, ali can tire him out and KO him, I think.

 

There can never be a fight between Wlad and Ali, so yes, we could never no.

Until Hatton and Mayweather fought, most fans believed Mayweather would win, but he DIDNT win until they actually fought. We are dealing with the same situation here, except they will never actually fight.

That doesn't mean that Ali isn't better though. Just because everyone always has a chance, it is boxing after all, doesn't mean that it is wrong to say one guy is better, or one guy would probably win in a hypothetical matchup.

 

Its all about the old adage 'Styles make Fights'.

It's ridiculous any boldly saying fighter A will obliterate fighter B. If they are so bold in their assessments why are they not living the life of millionaires boldly predicting the outcomes of all current fights.

The fact is if two champions from different eras fought, it would be very competitive and the outcome is a complete unknown. Everyone can offer an opinion as to the outcome, but so catagoricallt state that one would easily dominate and KO the other is ludicrous.

Surely this fact is even more obvious, after virtually everyone predicted Tysons destruction of Holyfield. There were seasoned boxing writers even worrying about Holyfields health

Legacys are built on sand as well, Ali built his by evenging Frazier and beating Foreman. History could have been so much different if Foreman had the chance of 2 more fights with Ali. He could well be 2/1 over Ali now! As in reality Norton should be!