1967 Muhammad Ali vs. 2007 Wladimir Klitschko

Wlad would would do a better job than all of the guys that beat Ali: Norton, Cooper, Young, Holmes ect.

Although Ali somehow managed to beat that out of shape, old, full time liquor store owner/part time club fighter Wepner whilst getting knocked on his arse only once, I still think Wlad catches a running, back of the head grabbing, dancing, non fighting Ali early and ends it.

Stop the madness this instant.

 

What?:huh

 

Cooper, Young, and Holmes beat Ali? atsch Yeah - Holmes certainly beat the hell out of him, but c'mon.. that wasn't Ali in there against Holmes...

Ali beat the hell out of Wepner. Wepner's whole claim to fame was that he'd never been stopped (or was it never KDed?). Ali stopped him finally after a beat down. Wepner's lack of skill and huge heart is what inspired the Rocky movies.

Wlad just isn't nearly as skilled as so many are making him out to be. I watch his fights closely and see some good things he does, and he certainly has power. I just don't see the tools that put him in the same league as Ali and can't think of how he could avoid getting zapped all night long by jabs and straight rights. Maybe someday there will be a supercomputer that can accurately make these matchups possible - but it's fun to imagine.

 

I came to the realisation that Ali was so over-hyped mainly because he hated the American establishment, the war and most of all--whitey. This seemed to be a huge unit mover in far left hippy days of the sixties. As an adult, watching his fights now leaves my scratching my head as to why he was big. If he fought today, he'd get booed out of the ring with all his running and fouling.

Sure he was decent, but his opponente were over hyped as well. God little Joe Frazier would probably get mauled by Byrd. Hell, foreman mkI with his skilless clubbing fighting style would be a sitting duck for todays fighters.

People love folk legends, I guess. Feel free to worship "The Lamest."

 

Well I don't disagree agout loving the legends, and a lot of the legends are certainly overrated. I guess the main disagreement would concern whether or not the fighters of Ali's era were as good as people think. I think there were lots of great fighters and atheletes in the HW div back then.

Boxing was much more popular and was seen by many kids as a ticket to sports stardom and money. Now that is replaced by other sports. If basketball wasn't so popular and had b-ball courts in every neighborhood, we would see someone like Ben Wallace, or Dwayne Wade, or other random people in the boxing ranks. Great atheletes, but there are no longer boxing gyms all over the place. There's just less people getting into boxing in the first place as compared to 30 years ago.

As far as your comments about Frazier, you think his size is insurmountable and that's his weakness. He was actually basically the same size as Tyson. He didn't weigh quite as much, but was certainly a big puncher and could hurt anyone- plus a GREAT infighter and excellent movement. He would do great if he was fighting in his prime today, just like Tyson would - because they were great fighters no matter what the era.

 

It's probaby a good thing that the majority of people are impressionable, mindless followers.

ALI GREATEST!!! ( in robotic voice) Ali greatest! Ali greatest!

 

Lol, whatever.

You are SOOO cool by being such a non-conformist like you are.

It's not as if Ali isn't one of the fastest HWs ever.
It's not as if Ali's footwork wasn't a thing of beauty.
It's not as if Ali didn't stop Sonny Liston and George Foreman. As if Ali wasn't the first 3 time world heavyweight champion. As if he didn't have one of the best jabs in HW boxing history. He surely wasn't able to throw great left hooks from odd angles whenever he wanted to.

Also, I wonder about Ali's beard. Sure he was never KOed, and he fought the hardest best punchers of his era, but he was knocked down once or twice so he definitely has a glass jaw.

And yeah, he was a runner. He didn't fight life and death in Manilla...

Not to mention, those were his PRIME years, 67-70, it's not like we were ROBBED of the best years of his career or something.

Get off your highass don't know **** about boxing ****ing horse. Ali might not be the best heavyweight of all time, but claiming he isn't great, and possibly the greatest, just because you don't want to agree with everyone else just makes you an ignorant *****.

 

****, I love Wladimir Klitschko, I really do.

But Ali does not get blitzed KOed by Corrie Sanders in his prime. He does not gas and and lose it all to Lamon Brewster in his prime...

I don't get it.

 

:huh

 

Ali had a great chin and if Goerge Foreman,Joe Frazier,Ernie Shavers,Larry Holmes,Ken Norton,Jerry Quarry,Sonny Liston,Cleveland Williams,etc...etc...etc.... couldnt knock him out i dont think Wlad would and plus at that age his speed was incredible and he would have outboxed Wlad...........Ali hands down

 

Personally (read my previous response ) i'm neutral on this..
And i've given some valid reasons why Ali vs Klit is a 50/50.

But that aside , i do agree on the fact that people are easily impressionable and (obviously) mindless followers. But that's like in everything in life...In religion , politics , sports etc...

People need to worship , they need to have blind faith in something. It's part of human nature.

 

:good

 

That might be true, but it is quite clear that there are very very valid reasons for someone to predict Ali winning this hypothetical matchup.

I'm just saying it is extremely ignorant and dismissive to assume that people only favor Ali because Ali was a very popular fighter. The majority of posters on this forum are at the very least legitimate fight fans that know SOMETHING about boxing, and they probably don't pick Ali out of blind faith.

 

so you are saying quarry and norton are equal to wlad in punching power? quarry barely made 200lbs and fought opponents down to 178 pounds. you know what klitschko would do to people of under 180? he'd knock them down with a jab! i'm not getting into the shavers-foreman discussion because in some people's mind they are supernatural and nobody will ever punch harder.

 

Quit watching t.v., son. It'll wreck ya.

Ali was decent, but he'd get mauled by today's fighters.

Oh, Pro Wrastlin' is fake. Sorry.