1967 Muhammad Ali vs. 2007 Wladimir Klitschko

Why does he think Oscar beat Floyd? Did he actually watch that fight???

 

Ask him about the Oscar V Mosley rematch....he can go for hours on that one. I beleve his location once said that 'boxing owes Oscar something' due to all the horrible robberies poor Oscar had suffered

BUT he's a fan of the SPORT, don't forget that :nut

 

Widdows' one crazy MF. I wouldn't want him judging fights.

 

Yes he watched it, but he had his Oscar-spectacles on from the moment the fight was announced.

As I said though, he's a fan of the SPORT, honest :rofl

 

Not in the heart, chin, and toughness department. Ali was a bigger bully than most give him credit for, he was the bully in both Liston fights and against Foreman, he proved how tough he was, unlike Wlad who falls or panics when a significant punches lands on him, Ali would laugh at him the whole way through the fight, Wlad's power would be his only advantage if they fought, just ask Foreman, and Liston if that was enough to beat a fighter like Ali.

 

What makes you think I even remotely care for Klitschko? Because I think he could win?

This is a totally hypotheoretical thread. There is no right or wrong answer, only assessments and guesswork. Wlad weighs 248 - Cassius Clay weighed at that time 212 - thats 36 pounds. And Wlad isn't a chubby guy - he is tall, and athletic, has felled nearly anyone he has met in a spectacular fashion. So he has lost, and has some weaknesses, such as being more timid than one would think a man of his success would be, and a suspect chin. Clay had weakness as well(oh heresy) - he was showboating, keeping his guard down - took hits to show and impress that he could roll with the punches. He wasted energy shittalking to his opponents without end.

People are so quick to say that opponents of legends have been great, simply for the reason that they are raised to believe they were great. When you look at some of them you can clearly see they are no better than the ones we dis in this "weak" division of this era.

I am not disputing that Clay was great - he proved that - especially from adversity after the ban, and against Sonny Liston - though there are still vicious rumours that this one took a dive - maybe he didn't but did he do anything even remotely great when he faced great opposition in Clay?

No, his ass was kicked convincingly just like a Calvin Brock or a Ray Austin - twice. Great fights make great boxers. Sonny wasn't great against Clay. And whom did he beat? Floyd Patterson - thats just a name of some former WC just like today, when you think objectively about it, and nothing more than a little footnote in some romanticists minds.

Maybe we shall see the same thing concerning Klitschko in 30 years, when someone say that they think xxx of the future will beat multichamp legend(or whatever) Klitschko.

 

If small Ken Norton or Joe Fraiser can win by points, why wlad cant do it? They both were lighter than Byrd....

Wlad is much faster than Foreman or other Alis opponent's..

 

Wlad will never be considered a great, because he never beat a great, or even a hall of famer for that matter. Wlad will be remembered as the more skilled, but mentally weaker brother of Vitali, he dominated in a weak division, but still lost to journeymen by knockout, and rarely showed championship toughness in the ring, when the going gets tough, he ends up on his back or panics to the point where he ends up losing, he wont even be talked about 20-30 years from now, ****, most people I know dont even know who Wlad even is.

 

So not facing greats make you weak? Hell, then PBF won't be more than a footnote in history.

Isn't LL great either, just because he got knocked by some clown? Tyson for that matter? Anything can happen in boxing - and sometimes does - it's about how you carry yourself from loses that seperates the great from the not so great.

Helll, SRR lost to many crap fighters - he must really be crap then...

 

Fair enough, I guess all this Wlad beating Louis and Ali threads are starting to bother me a bit, I just thought your were a Wlad nuthugger trying to make a point, but physically your right, but not mentally which is alot more important aspect to look at when your match guys up against each other, especially the wide disparity between Wlad and Ali in the toughness/Mental strength department.

 

PBF, Tyson, and Lewis all fought either hall of famers or ATG's in there career. PBF beat Castillo, dont you think he's going to be a Hall of Famer? Tyson beat Holmes, who at that time was still very good, infact good enough to beat mercer a couple years later. Lewis beat greats, Tyson and Holyfield.

 

Fair enough buddy, physically I agree, mentally I dont. I think you will see Wlad implode again very soon, it really is only a matter of time IMO.

 

"Boxing owes Oscar something as my location"? Really... do you just make this **** up all day long or what? My location has never said anything other than where I live. Sorry to disappoint you again, as you love to make up these silly lies about me. Do you have a point on this forum? I mean, other than to hate on a few fighters, and talk about me?

 

Which fight? I thought that Oscar was clearly robbed in the second fight. I thought that Mosley won the first fight.

 

You aint kidding, Kobe is God already told me thats what makes Wlad exciting. I dont know about you, but I cant see getting behind a guy who lacks toughness and is mentally weak like him at the top level, his matches are boring as hell anymore, 00-03 version of Wlad was exciting as any fighter I seen at the time, that guy was a fighter, but we all seen when what happens when the tables are turned, Wlad panics, clinches, and ends up falling numerous times.