1967 Muhammad Ali vs. 2007 Wladimir Klitschko

RJJ did a **** load of things technically wrong but at his peak he was untouchable. :bbb. Personally, I would say that they are both unorthodox with fighters have since been trying to emulate their styles but they had a "one in a billion talent" that others could just not match.

 

Brilliant analysis, Glover.

I have completely revised my take on The Greatest.

Till recently, I thought he was a supremely talented, athletically gifted boxer, who was near impossible to hit cleanly in his prime and whose rapier-like strikes cut open numerouss opponents, forcing stoppage. Or whose punches KO'd Frazier, Lyle and even previously un-KO-able fighters like Bonavena and Foreman.

But after my encounter with you on this here forum, I have to acknowledge I was in error.

It's like a pair of mormons had come to my door and enlightened me. At first I was resistant, steeped in my own comfortable ignorance about the man, till slowly but surely, with well-reasoned 'common sense' and 'facts' you have shown me my folly.

I feel like Saul of Tarsus when he got knocked off his ass.



Thing is, and this is the sad bit, there are so many others like me who still don't understand what a talentless bum Ali was, how easy he was to hit, and how feather-fisted he was. These folks still live in delusion.

Is there anything you can do for them, beyond this forum ?

Insight such as yours needs to be spread far beyond ESB.

Please give this matter thought. I'm sure you will find a way to bring the truth to all those other fools and liberate them from their lunacy.

And again, thank you for sharing such incisive and perspicacious insights with
this humbled poster !

May God Bless You !

(Allah too.)

 

:rofl:smoke

 

I don't how people arrive at these conclusions.

Maradona would grace any team, and be worth millions.

 

Ha! Brilliant!

I'm still waiting for him to complete my head to head break down, and to list me Wlad's best wins.

 

You might wait a while.

I asked him in a an earlier post for Wlad's top five wins so as to compare them to Liston's.

Not only did he fail to produce them, he told me he already had.

A fairly pointless untruth as his posts are there for all to see.


The irony is, I'm a Klitschko fan and am usually arguing in the other direction. But this dude is so far off in his denigration of the fighters of the Liston/Clay-Ali era that he's an embarrassment.

 

He's swerved my questions three times.

It's all good fun at the end of the day, and if he set out to bait people and have fun, then that's fair enough. But I don't like it when people disrespect fighters, especially warriors of the past.

But I think he's made those disrespectful and outrageous comments, to get a reaction. I don't think he means it.

I've enjoyed reading your posts, you have great knowledge. :good

 

Ali struggled against lesser fighters.

 

Hi Glover, Long time reader but first time asking a question.

You keep saying how modern these athletes are compared to yesterday. I would like to know how a 48 Larry Holmes and 47 yo George Foreman were able to compete,beat and hurt these young modern fighters while never looking hurt? Because if you go back to when they were younger and fighting cavemen they were hurt a lot more times then they were in their 40s? According to your logic that is unfathomable but it is fact. Doesn't that kinda **** on your nonsense logic about todays fighter being better all round?

 

Glover,Long time listener and thanks for replying.

While I hardly read your post, You forget to mention despite there ages they held their own vs Evander Holyfield, who then goes on to knock out Mike Tyson, How come? How do 48yo withstain beatings from a man who could lift huge numbers in the weight room yet KO another man who by then could also lift heavy numbers in the weight room and was a lot younger?

You said previously it is "moronic..comparison of old school boxing to modern boxing in general" but you just said admitted Larry beat a "modern strong" athlete. I just busted you're "myth" as you call it by sheer FACTS not up made fantasy like you have done previously.

I would like to add Evander Holyfield and Shannon Briggs ranked getting hit by George Foreman harder then any of the modern athletes and they've fought them all. How can this be? You've expressed it simply cannot be true yet two fighters who fought new and old contradict your theories? Another myth buster.

Now I would like you give me facts in which why you think modern fighters are superior to old fighters? Not made up,actual facts;things that really happened like I mentioned above.

 

Yes but he also KO'd George Foreman. How come none of the modern fighters could knock out George Foreman but this feather fisted champion do so? You're simply not making any sense.

According to you "if they tried to fight less cautious like in the old days they'd be KO'd." That's another one of your "myths" gone astray because thats precisely how old Foreman fought,he tried differ in his young days he was "KO'd".

You've destroyed your own argument with that line....because you know how the current HW champion fights right?

 

In other words any man who is tall beats Tyson. You've just said "Tyson never lost his ****, he just might have gone on to beat Holy and Lennox" but you say "Tyson's size height and range limitations enabled men like Holy and Lennox to work him out".

And this has relevance to Ali / Klitschko how

Again this has NOTHING to do with this argument fool.

Again this reponse is reminds me of MVC and bremen but they're not this dumb.
Your quotes;
"Holy scared to trade? He traded with Bowe for crist sake in 3 wars!"
He was willing to take 2 shots to deliver one against Lennox Lewis,Bowe and recently Valuev but he wasn't willing to do that against George Foreman.

"KNOCKED OUT MORE EASILY THAN IN THE WEAKER 70S ERA"
Holmes and Foreman weren't knocked out or down by Holyfield but younger,modern Lennox Lewis was and Mike Tyson was KO'd. Dumb dumb just dumb..

 

This fool thinks Foreman hit Moorer with a lucky punch...He know dump about box.
The KO punch was timed, calculated and delivered by lulling Moorer into a false sense of security with less powerful shots.

 

Yea and next he'll explain the theory of relativity.

 

Prime Ali never lost to a journeyman (Puritty) a guy who never beat another top 10 fighter (Sanders) or the likes of Brewster who himself had lost to both Ettiene and Shufford.