1967 Muhammad Ali vs. 2007 Wladimir Klitschko

Lol, you're an armchair warrior, that's all. Name one cruiser today who could fight the 15 round pace of Qawi or Holyfield. Fact is you can't. Name a cruiser today that could fight with the skill or pace of Toney-Jirov. Fact is you can't. You're to easy son. You gotta come stronger than this crap you've posted, none of which is a fact as you claimed.

 

Mouse's and elephant's? Is this what you've been reduced to? :rofl

I'll take the words of guys who have no agenda over the likes of you, who claims facts but cannot back them any day. Tell me about today fighters ability to fight on the inside, feint, move their head, parry, block, or stamina compared to era's past. You keep avoiding this...its time to man up!

Quarry over all of today's pretenders! Ali over everyone! :hi:

 

What aspects are the better in? What fighter can slip punches like Ali or even Frazer for that matter? What fighter could block and parry like johnson? Fight on the inside like Marciano? Slug like Foreman? Bob and weave like Dempsey? Do I need to keep going? You're a joke as is your agenda, which is why everyone is disagreeing and laughing at you.

And you still haven't addressed my points! Why is that? Where are these "facts" you spoke of?

 

What defensive skills are you talking about? Holding?

 

Tyson was watching the Haye-Ruiz commentating on how much Haye got hit. I will post the vid.

 

Can you stop opening such lousy threads? Btw, those who voted for Wladimir have no knowledges. Are you kidding me? The Klitschkos would clean the shoes of Great Ali. You have no respect!

 

I agree it's decent, but it's nothing special.

Ali did struggle in the 70's, but he aged very quickly and took huge punishment. We're talking about a mid 60's version of Ali before the ban.

I'm sure some of Wlad's opponents would have had some success over certain fighters.

But likewise, I'd expect Liston, Frazier and Foreman etc to have breezed through Wlad's resume.

You talk about size and Power, but we're only talking about 3 inches in height, and what Ali would have given up in power, he'd have made up for it with speed and skills.

 

glover,

So what? They're just stats.

The current era is the strongest hands down? Ha!

Diverse?

Haye is Wlad's best win according to you.

So put Haye in the 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's against:

Liston
Ali
Foreman
Frazier
Tyson
Holmes
Holyfield
Lewis
Vitali
Bowe

I don't think he'd have fared too well.


Wlad would have won based on both his size and skill advantages over Ali in total, in fact it would not be a competitive fight. The only thing Ali had a clear "advantage" in really is hand speed which is a ridiculous point since any CW has better handspeed than a real HW, Wlad is about as fast as you can get for a 250lber, certainly fast enough to catch punch bag Ali, and his running around would be irrelevant since Wlad would cut him off easy, it's what he does lol!

He didn't have any advantages in skill over Ali.

It would not have been competitive?

And he would have coped with Ali's footwork and blinding hand speed by doing what exactly?

You keep referring to Ali as a punch bag? When was Ali a punch bag in the 60's?

Running around?

You mean dancing from side to side, in and out of range, feinting, timing, making a guy miss etc?

This is too stupid to even counter.

He wasn't a cruiser, he weighed over 200 pounds.

 

Ignore that fool Loudon. He's not worth a drop of **** in the desert

 

It's so hard isn't it?

I watched a 4 hour documentary on Jack Johnson the other week and it was fascinating. But there's not much footage around. I've also got Bob Fitzsimmons's book.

So it's hard to say.

I'm only 33.

So obviously I've only seen from the 80's onwards.

Nearly everyone has Joe Louis in the top 5. I've watched a fair amount of footage, but I don't think his era was the strongest, and he was old when he fought Marciano etc.

Do you do it based on what you've seen or what you've heard and read?

I've got tons of boxing books and I respect the old time trainers and historians.

So I think I would put Johnson and Louis in my list.

From the footage and the live fights I've seen, I'd put Ali, Foreman, Frazier, Holyfield, Tyson, Lewis and Holmes in.

Marciano is a tough one for me. He stirs up a lot of debate. You have to respect his record, but how would he have done in other era's etc?

I'll have to have a think.

I think a peak Ali would be a no.1. I can't comment on a Jack Johnson fight, but I think Ali at his best would have beaten Marciano and Louis.

I've got Jack Dempsey's book, but I don't know if I could personally put him in the top 10.

You'll have to let me know yours, well I think it over.

 

Possibly, It's a myth that Ali had no power. I think Haye may have had the edge in one punch power, but an overall comparison with Haye and Ali is ridiculous in my opinion.

I'm with you, on thinking that Ali's footwork would have bamboozled Wlad.

 

He wasn't invicible, but he had superior speed and skills, and he had a good chin.

It works both ways.

Wlad has never come close to fighting anyone with the speed and skills of Ali.

Haye's movement caused Wlad trouble, and Ali was on another planet to Haye, in terms of footwork.

 

I know that you don't REALLY believe that.