1967 Muhammad Ali vs. 2007 Wladimir Klitschko

nice to see you include contenders there who were fringe and he would have beaten, add in liston, frazier, foreman, shavers, norton even holmes and say he would have got through all them easily.

 

Agreed -If guy's like Sanders, purrity, and Brewester knocked him the hell out, Wlado would have been retired by now from all of the beatings he absorbed from the contenders back in the 60's 70's Quarry would have shattered that glass chin, hell it scares me to think what Foreman would have done to him:dead

 

compared to wlads chin fraziers is granite

 

TRUE:woot

 

that is a fair statment. although consider the styles here. I really believe peter fought the only way to fight wlad now. he didnt try to box all he did was come forward and throw huge, wild power shots. he showed a great chin in that fight and a lot of determination. not many could have survived what he went through. my point is, ali is a boxer and wouldn't pressure like peter. even frazier is more controlled than peter in that fight. wlad loves to box and gets uncomfortable only with consistent pressure.

while people say he went life and death with peter (punisher :yep ) which is partly true (he got knocked down 3x and was badly hurt in the 10th but totally dominated the other 10 rounds), the styles wlad would be facing are polar opposites and he would be much more comfortable. that's not to say peter is as good as ali or frazier but rather shows how wlad responds to different types of styles.

 

ali wins

klitschko would have ranked as an average fighter in 67..

lack of competition in this era puts were he is ...

 

I agree, Shaver's punch was over-rated. Foreman hit harder, and the new Wlad does ,too.

 

At least this post made some sense regarding Wlad, styles make fights, this much is true. We all remember Ali going against another big puncher in Foreman, what did he do, he let Foreman punch himself out and then detonated him when he seen was tired and realized he was more open to his punches.

I see Wlad being competitive with Ali through 6 and then getting caught with something big in either the 7th or 8th round, we all know Wlad has a weak chin and panics while under pressure, even if he makes it out of the round, I can never really see him being the same after he gets hurt or tired. Ali wins by 8th round TKO.

 

i think against quite a few fighters would beat wlad if it were over 15 rounds, still even over 12 i dont think wlad beats ali or frazier, ali has fought fighters with high skill levels wlad has not, its not his fault but to compare his victories to alis is not very clever, does anyone think brewster or sanders would have KOd any of the contenders around ali's time

 

wlad would have knocked cooney back into rehab after the beating he gives him.

btw, it was vitali who faught lennox not wlad unless you're talking aobut ocean's 11

 

dont see a knock out here. foreman chased after ali, wlad would not. he would at the very most stalk him but not chase him. Pre uncle manny i agree that he would chase ali then get knocked out late in the fight after he finds out how good ali's chin is. u underestimate his stamina

 

i do think that wlad has stamina issues when compared to ATG , in the divisin he is in he is fine now bcoz he will not be exposed anymore because there is not anyone good anough to do it, however in the 70s there were people good enough, i still think ali wins everytime, and although the first few rounds would be interesting, ali would not get KOd and i dont think wlad has the tools to decision ali, hes got a much beter chance against frazier, but theres also a higher punch of frazier KO wlad

 

OMFG what is this forum coming to Wlad not just beating Ali but stopping him !

Look im a big Wlad fan. I was still faithful to him following the crushing Brewster loss when everyman and their dog seemed to write him off and he was a running joke on this very forum.

Since the Sam Peter fight, however, everyone has turned into an expert and much like Miguel Cotto, Wlad has gone from grossly underrated to hugely overrated.

Wlads resume today is easily the best in the heavyweight division and i do think there are arguments in favour of him beating Ali for instance when has Wlad actually been outboxed? Hes been destroyed and blown out by messers Sanders and Brewster but when has he been throughly outboxed ? I can't see to recall any occasion at all actually...and given the fact that Ali was hardly a murderous puncher some might say in that respect Wlad has a chance.

However, look a little deeper. When did Wlad ever take on a heavyweight as quick on his feet as Ali? As smart as Ali? As slick? As tough all at once? Never...

Ali on the other hand fought all varieties of fighter and adapted to them all and beat the vast majority of them...again some might argue he never took on a big man anywhere near as skilled or powerful as Wlad but then look at what he did to Earnie Terrell...thats as good an example i can think of of an opponent taller than him...

Personally i think Ali UDs him or stops him late....posters are going crazy though if they think Wlad would ****ing stop Ali ! FFS the man took George Foremans best punches and survived ! Took one of the sickest left hooks ive ever seen from Joe Frazier and got up at the count of like 4 after a gruelling fight and looked fine. The only time he looked seriously hurt was against Earnie ****ing Shavers well past his best and we all know what his power was like.

 

good point. wlad needs to prove his stamina a bit more against top opposition to make my argument hold against ali. I still think he survives but maybe he wouldn't be as competitive 7-5.

 

I have to be honest, I am an old time fight fan, but there was no one in the 70's that Vlad Klitschko would have trouble with, Quarry would not get past the jab, Bonavena would get KO'd, Ellis, Shavers,Mac Foster,Bugner, Norton, none of them would have a chance only Foreman,Frazier and Ali but the Vlad of 2007 would be trouble for all of them. I see Ali having a lot of trouble with Vlads jab and hook and I really dont think Ali had the kind of power to make trouble for Vlad. There was no one with the power,amatuer pedigree,boxing ability and size of Vlad in the 70's and if that 2007 version parachuted into the 70s, a lot of people may be suprised, I think Vlad vs a Frazier 1st Ali fight, would be a tough fight because of Fraziers stamina and work rate but Joe also ate a lot of punches and Vlad hit Much harder than Ali...a young Foreman would have trouble with Vlads jab and defence and come the 6-7th round if Vlad was still moving and poping it, watch for the right that felled Brock...the 70's were great but today we have some real good 50 fight fighters still moving towards there prime and Vlad is it, Ali's best shot would be to cut Vlad or shake him or tire him but Ali must be carefull for Vlads hook and jab