1970-71 Joe Frazier vs 1919 Jack Dempsey

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Who wins and how

  1. Frazier KO

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  2. Frazier TKO

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  3. Frazier UD

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  4. Frazier SD

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  5. Draw

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  6. Dempsey KO

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  7. Dempsey TKO

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  8. Dempsey UD

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  9. Dempsey SD

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  1. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft The Cobra Will Always Bite Back... Full Member

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    Wouldn't you also advise Holyfield to stay away from Firpo?
    Why?
     
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  2. janitor

    janitor Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No.

    If I am managing Holyfield, than we will take the Firpo fight, if it gets us closer to a title shot.
    Dempsey was one of the best finishers in history, and he was particularly dangerous in the early rounds.

    Brilliant as he was, Frazier was slow of the starting blocks, and not very elusive.

    You don't beat Dempsey that way.

    You either go defensive, or you get him first.

    Anything else will get you killed!
     
  3. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta Boxing Addict Full Member

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    There actually wasn't enough space. I dud put a MD for the first fighter but by the time I got to the second fighter it didn't have room for that option so I didn't put it for either fighter.
     
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  4. Seamus

    Seamus Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Good Lord.

    Frazier's Top 3 pelts are better than Dempseys #1.

    Dempsey looked great against old cowhands and barkeeps. Not against real, groomed professionals.
     
  5. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Active Member Full Member

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    Smokin Joe Frazier was a Philly fighter, meaning a very tough guy who had some pretty tough wars coming up, had a lot of heart. Joe did a number on George Chuvalo, in 1967, even though he could not knock George off of his feet. The same George who would kayo Jerry Quarry, two years later, and who went the distance against a prime Muhammad Ali, on March 29 1966. Though Jack Dempsey could savagely beat a fighter apart, he would be meeting a solidly rough guy in Joe Frazier, who had a very signature left hook, to the head and body. This would be a very fast action packed affair for 4 rounds, Joe bobbing and weaving, tagging Jack with a savage body assault. Dempsey would respond with very wicked right hands to the jaw of Joe, causing him to back away at times. Tired and exhausted by the brutal body battering by Joe, Jack breathing with his mouth open, tastes a very decapitating left hook which spills him to the canvas in round 7, for the full ten count. Frazier's constant pressure causes Jack to experience total exhaustion.
     
  6. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Its true.
    Frazier would be unlike anything Dempsey had ever seen. I would take Dempsey over the 1981 version of Frazier who drew with Jumbo Cummings.
     
  7. JohnThomas1

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    Frazier stoppage in 3 or 4.
     
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  8. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Name one cowhand or barkeep he fought???
     
  9. Seamus

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    Jess Willard was far more invested in rodeo work than boxing preceding Toledo.

    Bill Brennan would be your barkeep.
     
  10. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Joe Frazier was black and very dangerous. Dempsey wouldnt have gone anywhere near him. Instead he would have tried to fight Frankie DePaula and Tex Rickard would have told you that Depaula was so dangerous it would be the fight of the century. After knocking Depaula out in two rounds Dempsey and Rickard would have laughed at all you suckers who think Dempsey walks on water.
     
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  11. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    My philosophy on match ups between great punchers is that anyone can take it at any time. Jack Dempsey had footwork and hand speed that is underrated and in fact set new benchmarks for future champions. He was a one of a kind in his day and truly something special.. Smokin' Joe Frazier's upper body movement and left hook is unmatched by any heavyweight in history with only a few coming close. Both men had great power though Dempsey probably packed a bit more in a single shot.. Hard to accurately gauge though. Both guys could box in high activity affairs for many rounds. As for quality of opposition I think we have to give it to Joe Frazier. How many champions can honestly claim to have a win as great as beating an undefeated Muhammad Ali and at the down of what would be a huge turning point in Ali's career?

    OUTCOME: While Jack deserves the utmost of all due respect, ( and could certainly win it ) I have to give the slight edge to Mr. Frazier. I just feel that Joe's constant swarming and upper body movement would be something that Jack wasn't accustomed to given the traditional strait-upright stances that he was used to seeing from men like Willard, Firpo, Carpenter, and many of his other foes. It would be quite foreign and probably frustrating to him. In addition that left hook of Joe's would be brutal and I doubt Dempsey would see it coming as often as he'd need to. The final outcome would depend on the rules and customs of whichever era they fought under. If they fought in Jack's era it would probably be a long affair given that fights were rarely stopped unless someone was thoroughly unable to continue.. In Frazier's hay day of the 1960's and 70's a more sympathetic referee or corner would probably put a halt to it late.....

    My $ 00.2
     
  12. janitor

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    Now there I would have to disagree.

    I think that once you get past Ali, things even up somewhat!
     
  13. sauhund II

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    Fraziers "swarming" and "upper body movement"..........if he was soooooooo good at defense why did his face look like a moon crater in EVERY single fight he fought somebody with a pulse ?

    Plus Frazier IS chinny, no ifs or buts.....he was knocked down, wobbled or out on his feet against poor opponents.....the ONLY big puncher he faced bounced him around like a ping pong ball......with wide telegraphed shots.

    Dempsey is way faster than Foreman, hits about as hard due to his speed, remember speed kills and is way more agile that him too.

    Frazier gets stopped , pretty early too.

    Frazier was a class act inside and outside of the Ring but all his rep is made out of beating a forced exiled rusty faded Ali in the FOTC....once......he is 1-2 and 0-2 in his Signature fights.............in other words he could never muster up a great win after Ali 1 or even a decent win against a dangerous opponent, nope, he got rolled in non competitive fashion by a green foreman.
     
  14. JC40

    JC40 Boxing fan since 1972 Full Member

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    Yep.
     
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  15. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The one and only! Full Member

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    But what kind of decision is actual irrelevant in fantasy match-ups, as it only shows the view/ opinion of the official judges, which you don't have if the fight never happened in reality.
    So different sorts just indicates one of them got cheated (robbed). With how many points difference is rather important to know how clear it is and even a disqualification is more sensible in fantasy fights than unanimous, majority and split decisions (arguable no contests too).
     


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