1970 Joe Frazier vs 1980 Gerry Cooney

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  1. Unforgiven

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    Yes, because you seemed to not understand my previous specific points.
    Or you pretended not to.

    Cooney is a fairly cut and dry case of a protected fighter who was exposed at the top level. Holmes beat him fighting in first gear most the fight.
    Frazier would batter a man like that.
    And I don't think Cooney had the experience to survive the battering more than 2 or 3 rounds.
     
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  2. Unforgiven

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    Well, you won't object to Frazier beating the sh!t out of him then.
     
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  3. mr. magoo

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    Not at all. Just not in the sorry fashion that he did to those who sit beneath him :)
     
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  4. mr. magoo

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    Oh I understand you loud and clear. You seem to think that because Cooney lost in his biggest fights that he'd automatically be easy and "early" pickings for just about any great fighter.. Forget the circumstances under which those fights took place.. Never mind the inactivity or what was going on outside the ring.. And you know what? while we're at it let's completely disregard things like oh say, styles, physical dimensions, track records against various types of fighters, etc... Because we both know that's all a bunch of nonsense. Oh and Holmes has stated on numerous occasions that Cooney was one of his toughest fights and at points even came within a punch or two of ending it all for Larry.. But that's all drivel too.... Sooooo.. With all that said, let's just go with the outcome that you REALLY want to hear....

    Joe Frazier KO Cooney during the introduction, leading to Gerry's wife scheduling the funeral for three days later.. Bob Arum and Don King later have a press conference to disclose to the public that not ONLY was Cooney an illigitimate challenger for Frazier but new evidence had surfaced that he was never even truly licensed as a professional fighter..........
     
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  5. mr. magoo

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    Okay sorry for that rant... On a more serious note.. We concur Frazier wins by stoppage..
     
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  6. Unforgiven

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    Actually I already broke down the fight at the styles and that's what you didn't want to hear apparently.
    You misinterpreted or willfully ignored the points.
    For example, I made it quite clear I cited Foreman-Frazier only to point out Frazier even managed to land his hook in his worst possible fight, so, for me, there's no doubt he'd land on Cooney early.
    Your response was "Foreman killed Frazier". Yes, we all know that.
    The point is, put Cooney in Foreman's shoes and see him absorb that hook.
    He'd wilt quickly under such pressure. In my opinion.

    Now go on pretending I'm being unreasonable, simply because my "3 rounds" seems too quick for your liking.
    But, see, I don't think "3 rounds" is any sort of insult, just a prediction, based on styles.
    Cooney would probably give Frazier a much tougher fight over those 3 than a lot of other fighters managed over 7 or 8, for whatever that's worth. Some of them were just punching bags or survivalists, Cooney would at least fight back with hard punching for as long as he could and very probably hurt Frazier along the way. But he'd be over-run, in my opinion, in a short fight.

    Losing in 3 rounds doesn't make him 50% as good as some bum who went 6 rounds or whatever, so no need to be so sensitive. I know how much you adore Cooney. Don't worry, it's all make-believe.
     
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  7. mr. magoo

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    1. I didn't respond to it because I didn't think that landing ONE left hook to no apparent avail in a fight that he was otherwise getting his ass handed to him in was relevant of anything. To be fair it wasn't really much of a breakdown. What WOULD have been more prudent is if you came up with an instance where he overcame and defeated a legitimate puncher who ALSO had a significant size advantage over him along with early round tenacity.. As it stands he only faced one man of that description and it was the same one who he landed that famous single left hook against..

    2. Fair enough on the rest of your points and I think we can leave it at that.
     
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  8. Saad54

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    Frazier by early stoppage

    He lands inside of Gerry's Haymakers

    Cooney may stun him but Joe keeps up the attack and methodically chops him down.

    This is prime Frazier, not a shot Ron Lyle.
     
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  9. janitor

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    I would strongly favour Frazier here.
     
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