1973 Foreman vs 1988 Tyson

Personally I think if it went past the first 3-4 starts which is pretty likely then Foreman would end up taking him out. Foreman stuffed alot of guys with good skills and techical ability with brute force and his ability to cut the ring off or stab them coming in or moving back. Although he has always been noted for his power he used it more effectively than most and was faster with his big shots than people give him credit for.

As soon as Tyson slowed his initial attack the momentum of the fight would swing the way of the bear.

 

you said tha you never mentioned the speed, and you did, i never said what you meant when you did mention it, simply you did, and sorry my boy you are the only stupid here

 

Where to begin. Firstly, when I mentioned his speed it was derogatory. I said he was NO SPEED MERCHANT.

So your comment about my saying his KO of Moorer said something else was an asinine response becomes I never mentioned anything related to Foreman's speed, rather it was his power that accomplished this.

 

Yes. It was in fact a body punch that Foreman caught Frazier with early in the first round that caused Frazier to grunt. George said he knew he had him then. Very effective indeed.

 

You got the Foreman fans now arguing with each other...CLASSIC.

 

That Foreman's one-punch power is not greater than that of Tyson. I've repeated this several times.

 

ive got a combined honours degree, just my 2 cents :good

 

Gentleman. Tyson might often be more effective with a lesser number of shots, due to rapid fire, very accurate combinations where opponents could not even see all punches coming, hence not reduce their impact. Though he often fought in spurts, so not necessarily a higher workrate, & could be tied up.

So Foreman could-& did-throw harder individual punches. Tyson was so explosive.
But does anyone think he could dent the very heaviest bag avaoilable like a watermelon by punching it for the equivalent of 5 rounds? Ali would not even look to avoid being psyched out. Here he is striking the heaviest available bag, he could even lift Saddler holding the bag off his feet! Looks like he is just getting warmed up here.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh7ZjhlsE84[/url]

 

Foreman's power and Tyson's are very different.

As I said earlier, Tyson had a type of penetrative power, whereas George had more weight behind his shots.
Tyson made people do the chicken dance whereas Foreman bludgeoned opponents. I stand to be corrected, but Tyson had more one-punch knockouts. Penetrative power. George hammered down opponents with big, clubbing shots. Most opponents got up once or more than once before being beaten down again.

If I may draw an analogy, the Germans in WW2 had the Tiger tank with an 88mm high velocity gun, the Soviets had the ISU-152 with a huge 122mm low velocity gun.

The Tiger's 88mm gun had greater penetrative power that could pierce any opposing armour, whereas the ISU would literally just crush opposing armour. Even if it didn't penetrate the armour, the crew inside was all shaken up by the force of the blast. Tigers got you with one shot that left a small, neat hole; the ISU sometimes had to hit opposing armour twice or more. But it had immense crushing power all the same.

So, different approaches that had a different effect, but ultimately got the same results.

 

Would be a great fight, hard fought. An interesting point has been made about Foreman's body punching and the effect this would have on tyson. Tyson was never really worked to the body much.
Fistsoffury made some good points about the different styles of power punching and the effects they have.
As for the fight, I think if foreman gets to Tyson's body often enough he could force the stoppage, but I'd lean more towards Tysons fast, hard, combination punching doing the job and winning a hard fought decision.
Either way it's a tough fight for both and neither is winning it easily

 

foreman did not put even the weight of his body in his shots, he had HEAVY HANDS LIKE HELL the power of tyson was his skill and speed, foreman was a natural puncher and of course he did hit harder than tyson shot for shot, simply tyson was the better puncher because his accuracy and speed

 

i don´t think that it is a fight between fans of diferent fighters, every people got his custom opinion. it is all speculation the fantasy fights so every opinion is valid

 

I don't give any credence to the analogy of Tyson and Frazier when analyzing this match. Yes, they were both pressure fighters with short and stocky physiques for a heavyweight. Both were adept at moving their heads and upper-body when coming into their opponent. But Tyson was move heavily muscled in his upper-body. Frazier had functional strength for boxing but was not much of a weightlifter. In the 1973 Superstars competition Smoking Joe was unable to complete a standing over-head press of 200lbs. Tyson, on the other hand, was said to be freakishly strong in the weightlifting dept. Being able to bench press 450lbs. Being so strong could help Tyson from being pushed back by Foreman which Big George did repeatedly to Frazier.


Remember, although we are talking about a 1973 Foreman and not the rusty early 1976 version who almost got sparked by Lyle, he still could be wild. Picture a free-swinging, wild Foreman pasting Jose' "the king" Roman and in the process leaving himself wide open in their 1973 bought. Or the wild swings against Norton? Tyson would make him pay for these mistakes.

At other points in Tyson's career I think the young Foreman would have indeed blasted him out of there. The 1988 Tyson, however, is not one of them. Tyson at that point was arguably the greatest fighting machine ever at this point in time. He evades Foreman's wild swings and makes him pay dearly. Yes, Tyson might taste the canvas and this could develop in a real donnybrook. But the Tyson of 1988 was a better fighter than Foreman and would climb off the canvas and knock him out.

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