1975 Manila Muhammad Ali vs 1963 MSG Douglas Jones

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  1. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Doug Jones
    Joe Frazier *3
    Ken Norton *3
    Jimmy Young
    George Chuvalo *2
    George Foreman (under normal circumstances)
    Henry Cooper *2 (and would have had more if Cooper wasn't an alcoholic)

    I am almost certain he had a few more , does anyone know how it went for him vs Billy Daniels until that fight was stopped due to a cut too ?
     
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  2. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    George Foreman under 'normal circumstances' :lol: You make it sound like Muhammad and George hooked up in the fifth dimension. Ah.....yes......you were thinking about the 'heat thing' again. I'll say this yet again - Ali did n't have air conditioning in HIS corner either. Boxing is all about adapting to different scenarios and conditions. Ali found that dancing in the heat was a bit of a no-no. He could improvise on that night. Foreman could n't.

    Ali did n't have that much problem in the Chuvalo rematch.
     
    Stevie G, Aug 1, 2011
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  3. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Not just the heat .
    The main (but not the only) factor in that fight were the criminally loosened ropes , don't ignore it again , you know the story (?)

    Neither did Chuvalo.
     
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  4. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I give the loose ropes similar relevance to George hitting opponents when they're already off their feet. Bending the rules but having no effect on the outcome anyway.

    Chuvalo was widely outpointed in BOTH of the Ali fights.

    I find your point about Henry Cooper being an alcoholic interesting. I've read quite a lot on Henry over the years,and can't recall this being mentioned. Any source material ??
     
    Stevie G, Aug 2, 2011
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  5. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It had a decisive effect on the outcome
    Only according to Don King judges and the Bokajs / Stevie Gs of the world.
    I don't care if he fulfilled the clinical definition or not , how do you explain his skin then ?
     
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  6. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    So you're assuming that Cooper was an alcoholic because of his skin...??? :huh
     
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  7. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Again , I don't really care that much about it.
    All I meant was that if Cooper had exactly the same attributes he had and a better skin , Ali would have been ruined even sooner , not to mention that if alcohol was really the cause to Cooper's constant cuts , then an alcohol free Cooper would have also had better reflexes ..
     
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