1978 Roberto Duran vs 2003 Floyd Mayweather jr. 15 rds @ 135

-Again, the Benitez fight is irrelevant to this thread. It's 4 years, 20 pounds, and one Freddie Brown removed from the Duran being proposed.


-DeJesus did not defeat the Duran being proposed. He was took apart by him.

-Well, it seems most would put him in the top 25. Your the odd man out. And hell, considering the number of years and talent being discussed, makingthe top 50 would require a more than decent, solid fighter.

-The ref's ruling remained final and the WBA never ordered a rematch. The video is inconclusive and Buchanan was losing the fight regardless. I can't tell you why, ask them. DeJesus and Lampkin would be the recognized leading outstanding challengers to Duran for the rest of his reign.

 

:roflNow DeJesus didn't beat the Duran "being proposed"? FOH

 

As I said its not my list. I looked at a few lists on boxing sites and roughly put down what I seen was most popular.

Yes Arguello deserves a spot maybe. Won and defended 4 times. Not great comp after dethroning Watt though. Arguello's best work was done at super feather.

Pac only fought at lightweight for one fight vs David Diaz

Mays win over Castillo is debatable and he defended against weak op after the second Castillo fight. Soso and Ndou are not great title defences.

Buchanan dethroned the great champ Ismael Laguna miles away from home in the furnace and high altitude of Puerto Rico. Then defended his new title away from home in Los Angeles against Ruben Navarro, then defended away from home again in a rematch with Laguna in the Garden before losing at the same venue vs Duran. He also beat future world champ Jim Watt when he was past it and was apparently robbed in Japan vs Guts Ishimatsu for the WBC. Ken schooled lots of top fighters and prospects in warm up bouts between title fights. Vs guys who would likely hold a title in Floyds era.

As for Ken H2H in his prime he had the ability, grit, size, and chin to compete with them all. His piston like jab, clever movement and countering would see him go all the way vs all the great lightweights in history. I think he gives May, Pac and Arguello fits with his lateral movement and jab. They wont knock him out thats for sure. No lightweight would imo. Even beasts like Mosley. Ken was absolute nails.

Pryor was a light welterweight great. He never held a lightweight title.

Sorry for the messy posts. I've been using my phone.

 

You disagree that Duran won the 1978 fight with DeJesus? Do you believe getting battered senseless into a seated position on the ropes is beating your opponent? Are you mentally ******ed?

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyHwM9uKRfM[/url]

 

I think its time for the Mayflower fanboys to go back to the general forum where their know nothing garbage is better suited.

A fool like that beating Duran at 135. Yeah right, and who is baking Father Christmas's cake this year? The Easter Bunny perhaps?

These Mayflower fans and their fairy tales.Hahahahahahahahahahaha

 

...you also managed to deny that Corrales was better than Lampkin based on the "eye test". One guy knocked off a string of champions and contenders, the other never accomplished anything other than losing to Duran. You need to stop acting childish, sit down, and learn some boxing.

 

The only things Corrales and DeJesus have in common are both were fighters, and both are dead. Corrales had 4 fights at 135 won 2 lost 2.

Suffice to say that comes nowhere near De Jesus' 135 record.

But hey, why not let the Duran haters come up with any and every fvckwit who didn't have a Lightweight career worth **** to try to rubbish him, eh?

Or even let them waffle on about Durans NON Lightweight career in a thread that specifically stipulates 135.

Yep, Duran haters sure are thick twats.

 

It's 2-1 with wins over Freitas and Castillo and a sd loss to casamayor. He lost to Castillo at 140.

 

No, I actually argued Lampkin was better based on the "eye test." Your wording makes no sense.

Corrales fought in two different weight divisons. He wasn't stuck in a divison with Floyd as the only Champion. More opportunities, more contenders, more titles. Lampkin beat some contenders, got the #1 rating, and earned the NABF title, but he just wasn't going to get past De Jesus or Duran. Not to mention he fought both in their home countries and the Duran fight ruined him.

No, you need to learn boxing. Hell, you need to watch boxing. Even though I posted a video of Lampkin, I doubt you even watched it or understood what you were seeing.

 

Apologies as I though the list was yours. At any rate do you agree Mayweather should rate above Buchanan as a light weight? It seems like you might agree with me a on Arguello, which puts Buchanan out of the top 20.

The IBRO poll of 20+ men did not have Buchanan in their top 20 either.

 

Mayweather had 4 total career fights in the divison to my knowledge, two of which were close wins over Castillo.

But it doesn't matter. Do you really believe falling just out of the top 20 in a 100 plus year old talent rich divison reduces a fighter to "solid or just decent?"

 

Mayweather is by far the greater fighter but Buchanan has the better wins at lightweight. Even a slightly past prime Laguna is better than Castillo. Ortiz was shot to ****. I've never counted that as a great win for Ken.
H2H at lightweight, at their best its a very close fight between Ken and Floyd imo.

Well Buchanan is usually rated between 15 and 25 so I dont really argue if somene doesnt rate him top 20. There is better resumes. Buchanan is rated as a greater H2H lightweight. Head to head he could beat some top ten lightweights imo.

 

I've noticed you have a habit of not answering questions.

Do you think Buchanan deserved a re-match? I've asked twice. The foul was clear.

IMO Buchanan came around at the right time and is a bit over rated.

I'm sure you want factual examples. I shall offer them:

He won the title from Ismael Laguna. Laugna last the fight before Buchanan, and lost to Buchanan, then never fought again. This suggest Lauguna was far from his best.

Yes--Buchanan beat Ortiz. Once again it was Ortiz's last pro fight, and he was age 36.

Kenny has a habit of his signature wins being the other fighters last performance. Being from the UK, he's popular and IMO a little over rated.

 

I've answered your relevant questions. The ones I didn't, I still addressed.

You never asked that. This is what you asked, and actually your first time asking anything regarding Buchanan:

"Still no comeback from why Buchanan never received a re-match?"

And I answered the best I could. An apology would be nice. I can't answer questions you don't ask.

Regarding your NEW question. I wouldn't be against him getting a rematch but I don't think it was necessary either. Especially with DeJesus becoming the clear #1 and more deserving by the end of the year.

None of this translates into "just decent" or why you are arguing this top 20 nonsense.

 

The Duran-Buchanan rematch never came about due to politics. Durans manager said Ken was a formidable opponent, too high risk. I dont think Duran ever gave a **** who he fought but he has went on record a few times saying Buchanan was the toughest guy he fought.

Edit: sorry, that post was meant for Mendoza.

Shitty phone mate.