1979 Larry Holmes vs Deontay Wilder

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  1. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Yes, I know I'll get flayed and beat up for this, especially after the epic schooling Wilder received at the hands of Tyson Fury, but assuming that Wilder doesn't come into the ring wearing an over sized costume, we have to consider this:
    Fury was 6'9 270 something pounds. Two inches taller than Wilder and forty something pounds heavier. Prime Holmes at 6'3, would be 4 inches shorter than Wilder and since prime Holmes was anywhere from 209-215 pounds, he'd be 15-20 something pounds the smaller man. So he wouldn't have the physical advantages that led to a Fury victory. And we have to ask ourselves this, if Fury was 6'3 209-215 pounds with the same or similar style and similar punching power, would the outcome of last Saturday had happened?
     
  2. Charlietf

    Charlietf Well-Known Member Full Member

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    As much i hate this stupid guy i must be honest and judge him as fighter and Larry Holmes definitely would overcome this proof. But i would say 1980-81 holmes was his absolute peak
     
  3. 70sFan

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    I think it would be similar to the Cooney fight but slightly easier for Holmes.
     
  4. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Accurate assessment
     
  5. Charlietf

    Charlietf Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Comparing wilder with cooney:nono: wilder would be a much harder match
     
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  6. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Sorry boys, I disagree. Well, I disagree that it would be like the Cooney fight. Wilder is definitely more durable than Cooney imo(which is really saying something) and he actually has a very specific advantage over Holmes which Cooney doesn't. Holmes was always suspect to a right hand over the jab, with Wilder's height advantage, I reckon he could have land something huge. I'm not saying he would, just that he could. Should he do it and get a KD, Holmes would get up and beat the **** outta him. Cooney was a textbook left hooker, who couldn't hack Holmes' 1-2, should he have been in there against Wilder I tend to think he'd have to have been more careful since he was more susceptible to a counter from Wilder.

    I'd say this looks like one of the Shavers fights, but probably lasts similarly to the Cooney fight.
     
  7. joebeadg

    joebeadg Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Wilder really had nothing except a big punch. Larry would humiliate him. But, he could land that big punch and who knows
     
  8. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    I would have to say that the 1979 edition of Larry Holmes would defeat Deontay Wilder by TKO 11. Larry had a very hard and accurate left jab. Holmes had good lateral movement, plus he also had good combinations as well as a solid right hand. His recuperative powers were very good. The war he had in winning the WBC World Heavyweight Title from Ken Norton, on June 9 1978, was evidence of his ability to take a punch. He also arose from that very devastating right hand that Earnie Shavers struck him with, in their 1979 title bout, to win. He would not be intimidated by Wilder's size or power. He would make Deontay fight backwards, which would intimidate him, by using that stiff left jab and firing combos to that lanky torso of Wilder. Larry had good stamina, and could go the distance if need be. I see the referee stopping this affair, as Deontay would be unable to defend himself.
     
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  9. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Good post.
     
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  10. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    Thank You, I appreciate it.
     
  11. JohnThomas1

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    Semi dangerous match for Larry (could be hit with right hands and Wilder's is big) and Wilder could potentially have a moment or two but the safe money is on Holmes by stoppage. There wouldn't be much camouflaging the right hand to help it ram home as Wilder's left really isn't much overall. Wilder would end up gassing a bit here imo.
     
  12. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think Larry would have viewed Wilder as an open book and as straightforward as it gets. It's not as though Wilder would have been capable of sneaking a big right-hand past Holmes since he's hardly the poster boy for subtlety.

    Wilder's biggest and best weapon is going to be seen well in advance of deployment, for Holmes to negate with relative ease. So, barring any mistakes on the part of Holmes, Wilder eats hard jabs and right-hands, all night, until he gets worn down sufficiently for Holmes to force a late stoppage victory.
     
  13. zadfrak

    zadfrak Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    agree with consensus of 79 Holmes version in a tough bout.

    I also think the 83 and later versions are in much much more trouble and he would have to dig a lot deeper than the guys he was fighting.
     
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  14. BELLERS

    BELLERS Active Member Full Member

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    Holmes only near his best surely beats Wilder. Jab,jab,jab,big right and repeat. Wilder’s spoon fed record has done him no favours at all in my humble opinion. Holmes mixed it with decent opponents throughout his career. Holmes takes it by KO9. However, 99% of posters refer to Wilder having a puncher’s chance in every thread against every opponent, fictional or otherwise. I reckon Holmes had excellent ring IQ, therefore he stays out of trouble and frustrates Wilder, pretty much as Fury did. I also don’t think Larry’s smaller frame would be a factor.
     
  15. Mod-Mania

    Mod-Mania Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I give Wilder a (very slight) punchers chance here, look what happend in Shavers II.
     
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