After many discussions about how horrible the heavyweight division is right now, and with many like me who compare it to an equally (maybe) horrible period of time in the 80s, I decided to carry out a little thought experiment: Let's just put up a list of Ring Magazine's 1985 HW ranking and compare it to today's ranking. 1985: C: Michael Spinks 1: Pinklon Thomas 2: Larry Holmes 3: Tim Witherspoon 4: Tony Tubbs 5: Greg Page 6: Gerrie Coetzee 7: Trevor Berbick 8: Carl Williams 9: Mike Weaver 10: Michael Dokes 2010: C: Wladimir Klitschko 1. Vitali Klitschko 2. David Haye 3. Alexander Povetkin 4. Tomasz Adamek 5. Ruslan Chagaev 6. Eddie Chambers 7. Denis Boytsov 8. Nikolai Valuev 9. Alexander Dimitrenko 10. Chris Arreola So what do you guys think? How do the lists compare?
adamek is at no.4 now , well for me i could not pick him with confidence over any of the top 10 in 85 if they were focused
If I look at the '85 list I'm still trying to wrap my head around how the hell Spinks beat Holmes twice that year?! :huh But yes, it's quite bad also that list. A few names pop out, but that's the same with today's list.
The depth of 85 is far better, The K bros obviously would transfer across well but the rest of the contenders are not in the same league. The 85 guys all had a fairly good year bar Page who lost his only fight that year to Tubbs but had won the WBA title from Coetzee in december 84.
I think it's a perfect example of the "styles make fights" principle. I don't consider Spinks to be better than Holmes in any way - I don't think he should be ranked anywhere near Larry as a heavyweight... but he just seemed to have the exact tools to deal with him at that point of time. He just had his number, 's all.
C: Michael Spinks vs. C: Wladimir Klitschko => KO Klitschko 1. Pinklon Thomas vs 1. Vitali Klitschko => KO Klitschko 2. Larry Holmes vs 2. David Haye => KO Holmes 3. Tim Witherspoon vs 3.Alexander Povetkin => Povetkin UD 4. Tony Tubbs vs 4. Tomasz Adamek => Adamek UD 5. Greg Page vs. 5. Ruslan Chagaev => Chagaev UD 6. Gerrie Coetzie vs 6. Eddie Chambers => chambers UD 7. Trevor Berbick vs 7. Denis Boytsov => Berbick KO 8. Carl Williams vs 8. Nikolai Valuev => Valuev UD 9. Mike Weaver vs. 9. Alexander Dimitrenko => Dimetrenko KO 10. Mikel Dokes vs 10. Chris Arreola => Dokes UD
I see it about the same, but i can't see Berbick beating Boytsov, after the way he looked in the Tyson fight..........
You can take a snapshot of virtually any year and the top ten is going to be - naturally - front-loaded with a few really good names and then thin out toward the end. Both of those lists, if you shorten them to a top 3, are really not bad compared to most other years you could pull out of a hat. Most of those years also probably don't look so hot when you get down to about 8 or 9.
at least berbick beat some guys, and boytsov is no where near tyson and he hasn't faced quality opposition yet
I think it's really impossible to say at this point. Boytsov hasn't beaten anybody of note yet, unless you wanna count someone like... uh... Taras Bydenko?