1986 LA Times: Some Believe Hagler Is Among Greatest of All Middleweight Fighters

Interesting article with various boxing heads ranking Hagler and comparing him to past greats. Several people ranked him lower than I would have expected (several even outside of the top 10).


Some Believe Hagler Is Among Greatest of All Middleweight Fighters : Is He Marvelous Or Merely Good?
March 10, 1986EARL GUSTKEY |


A sampling of how some rate the great middleweights:

PAT PUTNAM, boxing writer, Sports Illustrated: "Hagler is the greatest middleweight ever. I rate Sugar Ray Robinson the greatest welterweight ever, but not the best middleweight. Hagler is stronger than Robinson was and he would've beaten him. Hagler has a wonderful capacity to adapt to any situation, he's got a hell of a chin, a great heart, he can take you out with either hand and he's a great boxer. I rate Hagler No. 1 and Carlos Monzon a close second. Those two guys are on one level and all the others are way below them."

NICK BECK, Boxing historian and boxing film archivist: "I wouldn't put Hagler in my top 10. I can think of five guys right now who I'm sure would beat Hagler--Robinson, (Tony) Zale, Jake LaMotta, Monzon, (Marcel) Cerdan . . . my feeling is Hagler is overrated. A lot of people rate him way up there since the Hearns fight. But my feeling on that is that Hagler knocked out a guy who'd panicked and punched himself out. Really, I've never been real high on Hagler since that draw he had with (Vito) Antufermo and I thought he looked very ordinary against (Roberto) Duran."

ARCHIE MOORE, former light-heavyweight champion: "Hagler has done everything you could ask of a champion. He's fought one No. 1 contender after another and beaten them all. I rate him right up there with Sugar Ray Robinson. He's a hard hitter with both hands, he's a southpaw one minute, a right-hander the next. And he's cruel in the ring, like a great fighter must be. Monzon was a great champion, but not in a class with Robinson and Hagler."

DON DUNPHY, boxing announcer: "I have to rate Hagler very high. I wouldn't rate him over Robinson, but I would put him about even with Monzon. I would also put Hagler even with Cerdan. People forget that as great as Cerdan was in this country, he was even greater in Europe. I can't think of any other middleweight who would beat Hagler. (Carmen) Basilio was too small. (Gene) Fullmer couldn't have handled Hagler. Now, (Rocky) Graziano, you have to give him a chance because of that wonderful right hand but after two or three rounds, Graziano is in big trouble with Hagler. LaMotta was a tough customer, but his record is spotty, he had a lot of defeats."

March 10, 1986EARL GUSTKEY | Times Staff Writer
LOU DUVA, boxing trainer: "I think Hagler is hurting when you compare him to a lot of the old-timers. The middleweight division isn't as tough as it used to be. There just aren't any animals around any more. Robinson beats Hagler. Monzon beat him. LaMotta beats him. Hey, Jake would take everything out of Hagler then come back for more. Mickey Walker beats him. And I think a slick boxer from the 1930s, Ken Overlin, would beat Hagler. I even like Fullmer's chances against Hagler."

MICKEY DUFF, trainer of John Mugabi, Hagler's opponent today: "Robinson is certainly No. 1 on anyone's list, I would think. I'd put Randy Turpin, a great, great fighter, in second place. Hagler I rate No. 3, and I say that no matter what happens Monday because Marvin is past his peak. He's not through by any means, just past his peak."

EDDIE FUTCH, boxing trainer: "You certainly have to put Hagler in the top five. I'll call it Robinson, Monzon and Cerdan, in that order, so put Hagler fourth. Monzon was a great champion. I had a good kid named Tony Licata who I thought had a boxer's chance against Monzon in 1975. But he just wasn't strong enough to keep Monzon off him. Monzon showed me a lot that night."
BOB HALLORAN, vice president for sports, Caesars World: "Robinson is my No. 1 and it's an easy call because he fought more good middleweights than anyone else. Call No. 2 a tie between Monzon and Hagler."

MURRAY GOODMAN, boxing publicist: "I rate him pretty high. I'd say three guys definitely beat Hagler: Robinson, Fullmer and Monzon. After those three, I can't think of a middleweight who would beat him."

ED SCHUYLER, Associated Press boxing writer: "Hagler-Monzon to me is a pick 'em fight. Robinson? Maybe Hagler beats him. Remember, Robinson lost the title three times. But he was the greatest welterweight who ever lived. All the other guys--LaMotta, Zale, Graziano, Cerdan--Maybe Hagler wins some, maybe he loses some. The point is, Hagler has worked very hard and he's earned the right to be compared to the greats of the past."

BERT SUGAR, boxing writer: "I wrote a book called 'Boxing's 100 Greatest,' in which I rated the 100 greatest boxers on a pound-for-pound scale. I rated Hagler 74th. The middleweights I rated ahead of him were Robinson (No. 1), Greb (3rd), Walker (7th), Ketchel (21st), Cerdan (34th), LaMotta (43rd), Monzon (51st), Tiger Flowers (54th), Charley Burley (64th) and Zale (70th). Hagler isn't close to Robinson in pure ability. Robinson was seamless. Unfortunately for Hagler, he's a champion in an era of weak middleweights and that's not his fault."

DON FRASER, promoter: "I'd call it Robinson No. 1, LaMotta No. 2, Monzon No. 3, Cerdan No. 4 and then Hagler."

DON CHARGIN, promoter: "I rate Robinson over Hagler. My idea of a great fight would be LaMotta and Hagler. Hagler-Monzon would be a classic. In either one, it's a coin flip to me."

BENNIE GEORGINO, boxing trainer: "I put Robinson, LaMotta and Monzon on top, but Hagler is definitely in the top 10. Monzon was a better fighter, he fought better fighters than Hagler has. I might rate Hagler higher had he met and defeated Sugar Ray Leonard, but Marvin never had the opportunity to do that.

ROY McHUGH, retired boxing writer: "Robinson, of course, is No. 1. I never saw Greb but a lot of old timers used to tell me he would've beaten Robinson. I've seen films of Mickey Walker and I don't think I can rate Hagler over him. Monzon was awfully good, I can't separate Hagler from Monzon. And it's hard for me to imagine Hagler hurting LaMotta. Cerdan-Hagler, that's an even fight.

"Hagler probably beats Zale. Maybe Teddy Yarosz, a great boxer from the 1930s, beats Hagler. He had three close fights with Billy Conn. Charley Burley was a middleweight in the 1930s who was so good he had to fight heavyweights to get fights."

MIKE KATZ, boxing writer, columnist, New York Daily News: "How far do you go back? Ketchel? Walker? I'm not sure how good those guys were. I think Hagler stands up there with the best. Maybe he wins some, loses some. Robinson was the greatest fighter who ever lived, but as a welterweight, not as a middleweight. Robinson lost to people I'm sure Hagler would beat. There probably hasn't been a middleweight as versatile as Hagler. He punches with either hand, he can beat you inside or outside, he has a good defense and a tough chin. I'd say Robinson-Monzon-Hagler are very close. Maybe Monzon outboxes both of them. Maybe he plays with them."

IRVING RUDD, boxing publicist: "I put Hagler right up there. Look at the shots he took from Hearns. Those shots by Hearns would have put Larry Holmes on the deck. I'd rate Robinson and Mickey Walker over Hagler. Joey Giardello I give a hell of a shot against Hagler. Hagler-LaMotta? Hey, I'd pay a lot of money to see that one. Really, the only guy I'm certain that Hagler couldn't beat is Robinson. And Charley Burley, maybe he beats Hagler, too."

BILLY CONN, former light-heavyweight champion: "Are you kidding? Hagler? He doesn't make the top 10 if you're talking about guys like Mickey Walker and Fred Apostoli."