1987 Chávez Sr vs 2016 T Crawford | 140.

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1990 Chávez Sr vs 2016 T Crawford | 140.

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  1. Fabiandios

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  2. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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  3. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Mauling Mormon’s banned Full Member

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    Crawfords only advantage is 20lbs… same size JCC Snr EASY
     
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  4. Devon

    Devon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Crawford opens up Chavez, keeps the jab in his face and the lets the counters come themselves, offsets his timing and rhythm with it, so when Chavez does commit, he’s throwing blindly, and Crawford is able to see it coming and counter him.

    He’d measure him and time the head movement of Chavez as he ducks and as he pulls back out.

    It’s a horrendous style matchup for Chavez.
     
  5. mr. magoo

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    JCC was still at super feather in 1987 until November of that year when he moved up to 135 to fight Rosario. But since the proposed battle ground is 140 I’ll play along. And in truth, junior welter WAS arguably Chavez’s best weight ( or in my opinion. )

    Bud Crawford didn’t spend much time at 140 but he got a lot of work done unifying the belts and beating the best around. And he did it over the course of perhaps 7-8 fights ? He also showed tremendous success both above and below super lightweight. In addition, when I look at the tremendous fights Roger Mayweather and Meldrick Taylor gave Chavez it’s hard to imagine Terence not doing at least as good perhaps better.

    I’m leaning toward Crawford by a decision.
     
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  6. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Those tactics have been tried before. Chavez had some answers for it. His defense was underrated, especially his blocking and parrying punches, his ability to cut the ring off., Chavez's righthand lead was kinda quick and sneaky.
     
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  7. Devon

    Devon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Crawford has a better judgement of distance and ability to think steps ahead than the guys who tried to pull it off. He has a lot of tricks that are very subtle, he can make it look like there’s a target, but then take it away, he moves off of the ropes effectively, and he does so with a perfect sense of range and awareness of where he and his opponent is in the ring.

    Crawford can defend at any range and let his hands go at any range, he can set you up with endless methods, and if I mentioned all of them, I’d be here all day. He can pull away at an angle, post with his lead hand, and deflect the punch over his shoulder.

    He’d time the left hooks of Chavez with check lead hooks, he’d get Chavez to open up, think there’s not a threat and time him.

    Crawford is a master at making you leave yourself open by making you think there’s no threat.
     
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  8. Smoochie

    Smoochie Combat sports fanatic Full Member

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    Crawford size would be too much
     
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  9. greynotsoold

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    I have been fortunate enough to have been in a gym and see Chavez spar a couple of times. The things that struck me both times was how not big he is. Chavez was not a guy that got up to 180, 185 between fights, he just isn't a big guy. Crawford, on the other hand, has fought his entire career, from his first day in a gym, with day before weigh ins; he has been conditioned to dry down and rehydrate his whole boxing life. I'm will to bet that, when he fought "at" 140 he got in the ring at 154, 158.
    On the other hand, he was considerably less experienced at that weight. Enough so that it would counterbalance his being 2 or more weight classes larger? Who knows. Crawford was pretty good.
    The idea that he would outclass Chavez and have him swinging wildly is ridiculous. Chavez and Canelo are not comparable in any form or fashion.
     
  10. Seamus

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  11. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    You have two great fighters. It would be an interesting bout. Crawford would have a chance but it would be rough for him.

    Chavez was from the old school. He'd break you down body and then the head.
     
  12. tragedy

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    Crawford is way better than Meldrick Taylor and not far off or on par skills wise to Pernell Whitaker. What exactly in those fights tells you he could beat Crawford? Because the closest analogy for Crawford is Canelo and he straight up schooled him. So what am I even supposed to be looking at to show me that Chavez could beat Crawford? What can I look at that can imply that? Because I can look at the Crawford / Canelo fight and see exactly how a Crawford win could look. I can't do that for Chavez.
     
  13. tragedy

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    Man I straight up don't remember Crawford ever looking big in fights. He always looked really scrawny and small to me.
     
  14. Flash24

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    Crawford never faced anyone the caliber of a prime Chavez SR. How Crawford
    looked against the very overrated and past prime Canelo, A recently shot, and one legged Benavidez Jr, (Who gave him all kinds of
    difficulties .) What was left of Spence after a major accident, and Porter who's always been a J.A.G ( Just a guy)
    to name of few of his top competition, but very average fighters
    doesn't mean he could compete against Chavez Sr.
    Chavez Sr. beat fresher, and better fighters than Crawford is, and ever was.
    He'd beat Crawford convincingly at lightweight / Jr. welterweight.
    Boxers that fight in the in "modern" style of "I block you punch,
    I punch you block". As most of the top fighters do in today's game.
    Would never be successful against the very best of past era's.
    Fighters like Chavez Sr. trained and fought to the point of
    it was instinctive what they did in a boxing ring.
    Fighters today are thinking about what to do.
    It's a very big gulf between the two.
     
  15. Robbi

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    Crawford would smoke Chavez.