1988 Mike Tyson who KO'd Spinks vs these opponents

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  1. Flea Man

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    Tyson and Louis are different punchers, but IMO Louis was the better puncher out of the two.

    I think Tyson beats Louis P4P, but can't be arsed to actually answer the thread. In fact, I've only read this page :lol:
     
  2. PowerPuncher

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    1. I thought that would wind you up :lol: I exagerate the case but I certainly see Tyson as a better version of Louis, mainly due to footwork/defense, which are so important

    2. So Tyson and Louis are 'incredibly close' but Tyson cant replicate what Louis didagainst Baer and Braddock, despite being the faster starter, yet Im the 1 with the agenda :lol:

    3. No I dont but if Louis can beat a man Tyson can beat him faster 9 times out of 10 and I dont think Lamotta is as unstoppable as some think

    4. Everyone who dont rate the win that highly it seems to get discarded

    5. This is true but we have to make predictions based on what we know and I'd rate Tyson as the best for stopping world class opponents quick and I wouldnt put it past Cocoa KId to take a dive in that 1

    6. Like I say I'm not saying Baer can't punch, he can, I just dont think hes brutal aspeople make out and I dont think he'll land much

    7. Not by much and shorter than Spinks

    8. No I see how Charles fights, what plan would you have for him? I think he needs to get in and out but it doesnt help that hes the slower fighter whos giving up 30lbs. I see Tyson catching up to him early and Charles not taking the power

    9. Williams outjabbed Holmes and allot of people thought he deserved to take the title. Plus he had faster thans than the smaller Schmelling

    10/11 Tysons overcome every reach advantage from great rangy jabbers, these men in this pool cant jab nearly aswell from range, thats the fact your happily ignoring

    12. The skilled men are weak by HW standards though, the big men dont have skill or a defense

    13. Way to pick up on my lazy grammar and then instantly spell "weakling" wrong?:lol: And yes a 167lb Conn isnt lasting a round with Tyson, but I think Louis wasnt at his best for this fight. And Tyson throws great counters

    14. Yawns, he outlanded the jab

    15. You pick him to beat bigger men with better rangier jabs that hes ever encountered, men who were faster, with 100% certainty? Men with similar styles to 2 men who beat him or gave him nightmares in Schmelling, Conn and Walcott? I wouldnt be suprised if he beat the lot but I think the odds are 1 beats him and I wouldnt put money it

    16. You claimed Tyson was a poor infighter, I said he had a great uppercut, you said that doesnt make him a great infighter, I said Louis could have done with such an uppercut in his loss against Goddoy where he got beat on the inside

    17. I put the 3rd round of that fight on. Tyson wasnt at his best but he was landing decent none devastating bodyshots

    18. I remember 1uppercut hardly an inside owning and Tyson was seriously removed from his prime

    19. in close quarters Mike did well, he even had Holy reeling at 1 stage, those first 5rounds were close, but 7rounds of fighting and 4years inside meant it wasnt the same Mike

    20. Technically he was prime http://www.thefreedictionary.com/prime
    3. The age of ideal physical perfection and intellectual vigor.
    4. The period or phase of ideal or peak condition.
     
  3. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    Eh? :huh
     
  4. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    The Tillis fight Tyson wasnt at his best, he went on to beat better versions of Tillis more emphatically. Moore had allot of problems with faster fighters
     
  5. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Mixed up Gadoy and Galento :patsch
     
  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    You exaggerate every case.

    Where have I said he can't replicate what Louis did against Braddock? I think it would be a reasonable pick. It's not KO1 which I'm guessing would be your pick.

    As for Baer, I presumed we were takling best for best here? I would pick Tyson to replicate what Louis did against past prime Baer. My agenda is getting to something resembling the truth, and Louis doesn't need any kind of boost from me.

    Tyson and Louis both struggled with opponents who were difficult spoilers during their prime years. I think that they actually would tend to struggle with the same sort of styles give or take. I think your "nine times out of ten" claim is bizarre.

    I should say that anyone who doesn't rate that win highly is probably not worth worrying about.

    The point is, even if you are right and Tyson is a class above Joe as an offensive machine (And I dispute this in the strongest possible terms), the very idea that the fighter with the better offense will always stop a fighter faster than a guy with a lesser offesne as you see it is awful analysis. Video game analysis.

    Whether he will land or not is open to dispute, but his hitting power is not. At the very least the burden of proof is upon you to build the case, and I haven't seen even a shadow of one here.


    But longer than Tyson :good

    NOT fighting at mid-range anything BUT fighting at mid-range :lol: Literally.

    No, he doesn't, Schmeling had quicker hands, especially his right hand.

    :lol: I love that when you make a mistake ("Tyson wouldn't be at his normal reach disadvantage") and then I point it out to you, i'm the one who is ignoring facts. Yes Tyson was excellent at ditching the jab and getting to mid-range - just like i've been saying all along - now all I want you to do smart guy, is tell me about these taller men he outjabbed? And you can't do it as usual. This is the best I can get out of you -

    Which actually doesn't make that much sense.



    :lol: Holy ****. Yeah, these champions were pathetic fighters, no defence :lol: Have you ever boxed? :lol:

    Maybe he does throw great counters. Show me, prove it. And whilst yoru at it, back up your claim that he throws counters just as good as Louis?

    Yeah. So do you, like you said, he's a surity over Spinks.

    I see. Well, Louis had a great uppercut, perhaps the best in the history of the entire division. I rank it above Tyson's, it certainly was more perfectly formed:


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    That's debatable. What's not debatable is your line that Louis "could do with an uppercut" is kinda pitiful. As for your read on the fight, that Louis "got beaten on the inside", you do know these fights are now on YouTube? We can see Louis destroy Gallento on the inside in the last minute of this video:
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVcgD7VlmT8[/ame]










    Then we agree.

    He wasn't owned on the inside in the first round. In fact that is the only round Tyson won. He was owned on the inside every time he got inside after that. And crumpled at the end of the first round.

    Shields sent Tyson to fight on the inside in that fight, right on Lewis's chest. And Lewis battered him. Yeah, he was past his prime, yeah he got owned on the inside. Just like I said two posts ago. But you like to go round about the houses and I have time tonight :good

    Holyfield bossed him.


    Come on, don't undo all that progress!
     
  7. McGrain

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    :rofl who the **** is "Gadoy"?
     
  8. clark

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    Though not Tyson's fault, his big wins against Berbick and Spinks are way
    overrated. Neither was that good and Spinks shouldn't have entered the ring. It's so unfortunate how Holmes was finished by the time Tyson came around. It's also unfortunate that Holmes came after the big 70's fighters. Back to Tyson, much of his competition was not that good.
    It's hard to judge how he would have done with the fighters on the list
    based on his competition.
     
  9. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    As opposed to the above quote ;)
     
  10. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    The above quote, taken out of context in a discussion I was having about Roy Jones's head to head capabilities at 160. The point I was making was that Jones's victory over Hopkins isn't that important in judging Jones's ability in tackling ATG MW's.

    Any chance of your tackling the other 25 points I raised in that post or are you ducking again?
     
  11. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    And...


     
  12. teeto

    teeto Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Come on man, Ortura Gadoy
     
  13. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    I honestly think he KO's every one of them early.
     
  14. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    When he's crowding you you have to watch his sneaky butts.
     
  15. PowerPuncher

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    1. I said within 5, I assume uve been following the thread
    2. Baer was only 26 and 1-2 years off his best wins
    3. Its not only being a better offensive fighter, its about closing the gap quicker, getting his shots off quicker, athleticism, landing his best shots clean early
    4. I havent seen anything to suggest hes a brutal 1 punch ko artist, hes heavy handed, lacked explosiveness from what ive seen
    5. You can do better that that surely
    6. Schmelling has a wonderful right, it doesnt change the fact Williams had a great jab, better than Max
    7. He outjabbed practically everyone in his prime, the way he stepped in explosively it landed very clean while his opponent couldnt get the jab off. Watch some Tyson, it wasnt his main punch by any means, but it was an effective tool, he was outjabbing lewis is the first despite being past it
    8/ Im referring to Baer brothers, they just dont have the defense/jab to bother Tyson
    9. Tyson always slips and counters the jab, its his whole mo. Do you need a vid with writing to explain it to u :lol: The Spinks KO is a counter from what I remember
    10. I prefer the way Tyson bends at the legs for his uppercut
    11. The point is despite him being a supposed great in fighter as you claim he didnt have the sense to use his uppercut on the inside againt a smaller man and clearly didnt like being crowded
    12. No because Id say they were effective
    13. He never got on the inside really though and was past it, over weight and drugged up, bad example
    14. Not because of his inside game
    15. :bart