1988 Mike Tyson who KO'd Spinks vs these opponents

So to be clear, you don't think Tyson stops Braddock in one?

You want to tell me Louis beat Baer at his best now?

It's also about how Tyson's attributes interact with the attributes of his opponent, but I can see your not too interested in this type of thing.

There's a fair bit that t gets by you though.

As a strategy for Charles to fight Tyson? Sure, but my point is that you're ideas about Charles's strategy against Tyson play right into Mike's hands. You seem to organise your thinking around what is best for your man in any analysis. This may be why your thinking is always so skewed. What you've said Charles would do is basically the opposite of what he should do. There are very few fighters in the all top pound for pound top 20 who behave in such a way.

Or about the same, or slightly worse. Not much in it. But his hands certainly aren't out and out slower like you original tried to say.

Out-jabbing an opponent doesn't mean jabbing him. It means jabbing with him and winning the battle of the jabs. Bruno out-jabbed Lewis. Both were trying to establish their jabs and Bruno scored more points with his than Lewis did and Bruno established his rythym off his jab whilst Lennox had to improv a little bit.

I'm not interested in debating that fight with you, if you disagree, that's fine, what i'm saying is there is a big, big difference between Tyson's jabbing an opponent as a tool to achieving different ends and his "outjabbing taller men" which was your original claim, which was so ridiculous I tried to ignore it and you then called me out on that. So here were are. For the third time. Which taller men did Tyson outjab?

They have other advantages. Size (which you are normaly incredibly high off), power, punch resistance.

The Spinks KO came from a frightened, hurt man coming squarish and punching. Even an amature would have managed to get a hard shot off in these circumstances:

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuaFIRD7_5Y[/ame]

Not that i'm taking away anything from Tyson here, he put the hurt on Spinks, he terrified, he gets the credit, but a breath-taking, trapping counter, it ain't. Mike just didn't do that sort of thing, like his "out-jabbing" tall opponents, it's something that happens in your head rather than in his actual fights.

Why? Why for christ's sake? Why do you prefer to see him do something that sells the punch, lengthens the punch, and over-torques the punch against generally taller opponents? Tyson's punching technique was near flawless at times, here you've found a slight mistake he sometimes made and you're calling it something special. Convince me.

Which smaller man are we talking about here? Godoy, Galento or Gadoy?

So we disagree.

So Lewis got warned for holding on the outside, the push/lean that put Tyson on the canvas was from the outside, the standing 8 count that Tyson took in the 8th round was from an uppercut thrown from the outside and the second to last punch of the fight that Lewis landed, an uppercut whilst holding Mike's head, also from the outside?

I mentioned it earlier, but you can't just make **** up. This stuff is on YouTube.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECeIdlWBFfg[/ame]

He bossed him on the inside in the video I showed you a couple of posts back. Come on.