1988 Tyson vs 1990 Holyfield

THe "experts" on this site are amazing....

After almost five years in the can you are still "prime"....

Holyfiled brawled with Cooper, Bowe, Stewart, Dokes......he would be brawling with Tyson not holding and holding and holding until a washed up Tyson got tired and then get brave...

Tyson's bodyshots alone would cause big problems....

Anyway, you cannot go toe to toe with a prime Tyson, too fast, too good defensively, to powerful, you have to outbox him at range.....Holyfield never outboxed anybody, the closest he came was against Bowe 2 and IMO without the fan man to catch his second wind he looses badly again.

 

Evander, had mikes number from an 1982 olympic training camp clash, overseen by one manny steward!!

 

Bull****.

theres 2 versions of that story, the first is from Tyrell Biggs and Mark Breland who said Holyfield got the better of the action.

Holyfields own book says both men went at it for one round and had to be seperated and were told not to spar ever again. There was no mention of who got the better of who. Holyfields book states from then on Holyfield knew it would be a matter of wills that would decide the winner if/when they fought. I tend to believe Holyfield more than Breland or Biggs.

Speaking of wills, that was something Tyson had in 91 but was lacking in 96. In 91 Tyson wouldnt be looking to the ref for help after 4 rounds like he was doing in 96.

Moorer before their rematch also said people were overrating Holyfield for his win over Tyson because Tyson wasnt the fighter he once was.

 

You could argue that fighting Bowe was better than anything Tyson had done (post prison).

Also i find it convienient Holyfield has health issues when he loses then he wins and hes fine again.

 

Another important factor which is rarely mentioned is

Tysons punch resistance suffered (imo) in prison, and the bodybuilder version of Holyfield that Tyson fought in 96 probably hit a tad bit harder than the skinny version he would have fought in 91. Even then before the stoppage, Holyfield was hitting Tyson with everything but the kitchen sink but couldnt drop him. Tyson was exhausted more than anything

I think Tyson seriously beats Holyfield up in 91 and stops him late.

Lampley commented after the Bowe fight, why Bowe was so aggressive to which he replied he had no respect for Holyfields punch power, once he realised Holyfield couldnt really hurt him, he went for it.

 

Forget health issues bull**** that wasn't a factor at all so its irrelevent.
Those who actually understood boxing knew Tyson would never be the fighter he had been it doesn't matter what the average guy on the street thought or the casual fan thought they didn't know ****.

 

Really? and retiring for nearly a year and a half due to such issues, then coming back and being daignosed with additional problems in the Bowe fight has no bearing on the toll these things might have taken on him or the loss of time training as a result? Interesting..

I've already acknowledged that he was past it.. I also acknowledge ( as do most ) that Holyfield was past.. The difference with my seeing both sides and you only seeing one is called " selective bias."

And who are you to think that your opinion holds more value?

<-----------Understands boxing.

 

Fighting Bowe in the early 90's? perhaps.. But in 1995, getting his ass handed to him by Bowe while being past his best and entering the ring allegedly carrying hepatitis B, then taking a year off before Tyson while only fighting an overmatched Bobby Czyz ? NO.

So you think it was just a convenient excuse for taking a vacation after fighting Moorer in '94?

 

Fighters see more than non-fighters, guys can know tons about the history and still know nothing about fighting take for example Max Kellerman, supposedly a boxing expert but never sparred a day in his life. It's like who you gonna pay attention to on fight broadcasts the white scholar with the literature degree or the veteran fighter?
Plus I was talking about the heart issue that everyone bangs on about when it had no relevance in the fights but people talk about it anyway.

 

None of what was said here addresses the issue, and certainly doesn't prove that Tyson was more diminished than Holyfield.

I maintain my position.

 

I think a 1988 version of Tyson bests a 1990 version of Holyfield by a close decision in a spirited battle that might see both fighters hit the canvas.

 

LOL@ you...almost four years in the pen and he is not diminished........even known Tyson haters Lou Duva and Angelo Dundee admitted when Tyson was sentenced that he will be done and can count himself lucky if he is 50 % the fighters he once was.

 

No one is saying Tyson was even close to his prime after going to Jail. They're just stating the fact that Evander was also well removed from his, potentially further. There are arguments for both sides.

Foreman definitely could, and would have gone toe to toe with Mike. I personally see it ending in 5 most likely in George's favour.

 

azzer, the story came from manny stewards own mouth. The incident took place at table tennis for the record!!

 

Who picked Tyson to lose to Holyfield in 1996 though?

Also, if those guys are "known Tyson haters" surely they are bound to predict/wish that Tyson's career is effectively over in 1992, so why say "even Tyson haters" ? Surely that's what they would be expected to say, while "Tyson lovers" would be expected to predict or wish that he will one day be great again. :huh