1988 Tyson vs 1996 Holyfield?

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  1. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Holyfield by a quicker stoppage. Tysons body could take more in the mid 90s. He was always mentally a little girl but moreso in the 80s. Evander is everything Tyson fans want Mike to be, so jealousy runs rampant.
     
  2. sauhund II

    sauhund II Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I am going to argue this u ntil the cows come home.....

    Holyfields entire rep is made out of beating a washed up Tyson who after spending 4 years in the joint after facing some stiffs got beat ........on one hand Tyson is a borderline bum but then he is a career enhancer for Holyfield....what gives.

    After prison Tyson was DONE, the proof is in the pudding......just watch his comeback fights and compare it for example to his two decision wins against Smith and Tucker, punch selection foot work, energy, jab etc ...it is night and day.

    So this mythical 96 time frame up or down Holyfield got beat by Moorer....stopped by a washed up Bowe.....struggled with trail horse Mercer..needed a retry against a glass chinned Light Heavy.....struggled with Bean....lost twice against Lewis and went life and death with Huggybear....

    Is there ANY consistency ? None.

    IMO, 96 Holy cannot deal with the speed, set ups and combos and especially body punches...it will always be a faster pace and Tyson will not be as off balance or falling in throwing one punch at a time., but mainly he is not being upright admiring his work.....88 Tyson will not head hunt, he will break him down him methodically and if the stoppage comes it comes , if not , a wide Ud is not going to upset Tyson.
     
  3. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree with some of your points but Tyson did try and land some bodyshots in their first bout but none had any effect on Holyfield.
     
  4. sauhund II

    sauhund II Well-Known Member Full Member

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    How many ? Two, three ? He never followed up..he threw one punch at a time and gassed......88 Tyson does not gas.

    I am not upset if you disagree with me............Holyfield was the big underdog when the fight unfolded because everybody thought the Spinks/Holmes Tyson still existed.....he did not in 96.............fighters do not get better advancing in age after they climbed the zenith.......anything can happen but a old Holyfield, PED's or not , is not beating a fresh Tyson from 88 IMO.......if one argues that 91 Holyfield does the trick I disagree but could see the reasoning.....but old vs young, not a chance.
     
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  5. GOAT Primo Carnera

    GOAT Primo Carnera Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Might be true, initially thought to compare it with Thomas, Tubbs or Tucker.
    It doesn´t matter.
    Its pretty obvious to see imho.

    For me, the Holyfield 1 bout is horribly overrated anyway, at least in therms boxers H2H-levels meeting in a single fight. Lewis became the standard for the upper level, plus younger guys like Tua and Ibeabuchi appeared in other pretty good fights also. And they were far from beeing or becoming ATGs....
     
  6. Saintpat

    Saintpat Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The Rooney-trained Tyson who had this incredible head movement and reliance on his jab that we often read about is a myth.

    There are many times post-Rooney where he displayed both for short periods in fights. And there just aren’t examples of him sustaining that head movement and jabbing deep into fights when Rooney had him.
     
  7. JohnThomas1

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    It's still Holyfield for mine. His tactics were utter perfection and would make it exceedingly difficult for any version of Tyson. He consistently stifled Tyson's forward movement and wreaked havoc with his rhythm. Often punching back with mean intentions when Tyson himself was on the attack gave Tyson pause and much to think about. Tyson was almost impossible to hit cleanly when you showed him too much respect. You had to get down and dirty with him and that's when he was most hittable. Of course not just anyone could do this. His fast hands and huge power meant you had to one helluva fighter to get it done. You also had to have some class in your attack and countering so he couldn't get too much of a read on you.

    Mike never had a plan B. This isn't a criticism as plenty of other great fighters didn't either., Frazier being just one. If he couldn't get you with Plan A it simply wasn't going to happen.

    Holyfield showed great durability against Tyson and an unfailing will. He never looked overly tired at any point in the ring with Tyson either. I have a sneaking suspicion he had Mike's number.
     
  8. BrutalForeman

    BrutalForeman Active Member Full Member

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    88 Tyson would beat Holyfield 90% of the time, but it would be by a relatively close UD. Holyfield had a great chin and Holyfield would also have his moments in the fight.
     
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  9. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That's what I lean towards tbh, neither were in there prime when they met and there was no glimmer of hope at all for Tyson in their bouts. Holyfield trumped Tyson in every department including (dare I say it) punching power and the affect it had.
     
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  10. sauhund II

    sauhund II Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The intellectual dishonesty in Tyson threads is staggering.......

    So spending four years in jail, wasting your best years, fighting a few set ups bums which accumulated to a handful of rounds and then concluding that Holyfield has his number is pure comedy........age has nothing to do with that.

    Why dont you Einstein reverse the trick, put Holy in the can for 4, let him fight less than 10 rounds in his comeback and set him up with a active committed Tyson who never went off the rails, lets see how that works out.

    Tyson was a shell of himself, throw one shot at a time, was off balance , squared up, gassed badly, threw no combos, stood straight up, fell in , was not elusive, abandoned the jab etc etc......a straight up one shot head hunter who did not set anything up.

    Holyfields wins over a washed up Tyson are his only wins his fans or Tyson detractors can hang their hats on......because without that he almost flopped exclusively on the top level........TWO wins out of 7 fights with Moorer/Bowe/Lewis.....let that sink in ...24 with two fossils......and the same glass chinned Light Heavy in Moorer got waxed in his very first defense against a fat old man with ONE shot.......without the fan man one can argue he looses the second Bowe fight too........went life and death with Huggybear Ruiz who was beat not once but twice by two former Middleweights who could not crack a egg at Heavy.

    Now this if for experts like Johnathan Beerbelly Thomaschinko and other of his Mensa associates the actual fight was a let down, one punch at a time, clinch and clinch and clinch and finally in the eleventh hour the brave Dragon slayer Holyfield got a standing TKO while throwing the kitchen sink at a four round fighter who made it into 11, hip hip hurray.
     
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  11. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Addict Full Member

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    HOW FAR UP YR ASS IS TYSON RIGHT NOW?
     
  12. SambaKing1993

    SambaKing1993 Don't do it Zachary! Full Member

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    You love an 88' Tyson, don't ya Fergy?

    I heard you google "Jamie Foxx Mike Tyson" everyday in hope of seeing news about the Movie's release date.
     
  13. PH1882

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    Holyfield's bravery and chin leads to too much punishment.

    88 Tyson is a different fighter and my immediate thoughts were a Pinklon Thomas style beating.
     
  14. JohnThomas1

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    :jaja-no:
     
  15. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't care what anyone says, you have my vote for Tyson Fanboy of the year.
     


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