1988 Tyson vs 2010 Wlad Klitschko

I've posted quotes from his manager you've shown an article, I win.

 

Ruddock Sustained Broken Jaw In Defeat
By Ron Borges
Boston Globe
LAS VEGAS - Donovan "Razor" Ruddock had nothing to say yesterday morning about his latest loss to Mike Tyson. That's because his broken jaw was wired shut, and will remain so for six weeks.

Ruddock sustained not only his second straight defeat to Tyson at the Mirage, but a physical beating one normally absorbs in a back alley.

By the time Ruddock heard the news that he had lost a unanimous 12-round decision, his lower lip was leaking blood and his left cheek was so swollen he bore a disturbing resemblance to the tobacco-filled jaw of old Chicago White Sox second baseman Nellie Fox. None of those conditions improved after Ruddock heard judges Dalby Shirley and Art Lurie had scored the foul-marred bout 114-108 for Tyson, while Chuck Giampa had it 113-109.

Of course, had Tyson not had three points deducted for low blows (to one for Ruddock) by referee Mills Lane, the scorecards would have been as lopsided as the side of Ruddock's face.

"Donovan `Razor' Ruddock is not a sore loser," said Ruddock's promoter, Murad Muhammad, as he tried to explain his fighter's absence from yesterday's press debriefing. "He is, in fact, sore.

"He went without my knowledge to the hospital. They found out a little part of his jaw is broken. Right now, Donovan `Razor' Ruddock is in the hospital.

"His jaw is being set. His eye is puffed. Of course, his hands hurt a little bit. But he never complains about his body. He just can't understand, with the punching power he has, how Mike Tyson took those shots. We salute Mike Tyson today as the best heavyweight in the world."

After he lost 14 of the 19 rounds he has fought with Tyson, that would seem to be a minimum concession on Ruddock's part. Although Tyson's critics continued to maintain - after he had battered Ruddock's rib cage and snapped his mandible in the course of knocking him down twice - that the former champion at 25 is no longer the fearsome fighter he was at 21, he seemed to have been more than enough for Ruddock.

To be honest, that would seem to be true for anyone else in the heavyweight division at the moment, at least in Tyson's opinion.

"In all reality, I'm the champion," Tyson said. "The belts are just a symbol. I've said I want to fight heavyweight champion Evander Holyfield many times. I was entitled to his first defense but I didn't get it. He knows he can't beat me. I know he can't beat me."

Certainly, it is now clear Ruddock can't beat him. Ruddock spent most of the evening hurling wild punches at Tyson that hurt the former champion on several occasions but failed to wobble him.

Meanwhile, Tyson dropped Ruddock in the second and fourth rounds with straight right hands to the jaw that came as counters to Ruddock's powerful left hooks.

"I knew he'd get up (from the knockdowns). They were like flash knockdowns. They never really hurt him," Tyson said. "He rocked me, too, but I didn't feel it until this morning. I feel like I got beat up by 20 guys."

 

Funny how his promoter never mentions any broken ribs but informs people of his other injuries, we'll leave it at that shall we....

 

Really , wlads jab is slower than Williams jab was , the key here is that you choosing to ignore the fact that Tyson was very good at evading jabs

 

Yeah he was but you're ignoring the fact that he was also **** poor on the inside and that he wouldn't be exhausted by the clinches and leaning that Wlad would do to him.

 

Rewatch the Biggs fight. Tyrell came out boxing beautifully and pumping that
great jab. Before his knockout loss his legs were jelly due to the body attack of Tyson.

 

The speed differential couldn't be greater. Wlad didn't even finish Povetkin!, in the ugliest
fight in recent years. Wlad has never seen defense, speed, power, or talent on this level.
Wlad wouldn't go for the kill against a shot Mike, hed be way too afrais against Kid Dynamite. Another big guy with power and a great jab, another day at the office for Tyson.

 

Yeah and Biggs isn't in the same time zone as Wlad who will go down as an all time great. Prime Tyson never met anyone as formidable as Wlad and would be badly overmatched from the get go.

 

Laugh all you like but an Emmanuel Steward trained Wladamir beats any version of Tyson and I'd bet my house on it.

 

Well, start looking for a homeless shelter then :good

Actually wait...didnt the Emmanuel Steward trained Wladmir Klistcko get knocked out by Lamont Brewster?

Tyson > Etienne > Brewster > Klitscko

 

To be honest, if your argument is based around Tyson getting exhausted, then it's a pretty shaky argument. Tyson never showed signs of fatigue even against Smith who tied him up all night long. It's just something I personally would not bet on.

Reason being, that Wlad himself has shown a tendency to gas in a fight where he is taken out of his comfort zone, and is forced to fight more than he would like.
He showed signs of that against Purrity, first Brewster fight, Williamson, Peter, heck even against Wach when he tried to put him away but could not.
He is a superbly trained athlete, but while his size can be a great asset, large heavyweights need to pace themselves better than smaller guys.

So, while there is a possibility that his leaning/clinching could wear Tyson out* I also believe that he would be taken out of his comfort zone a lot of the time and could possibly be fatigued himself.

*That is, assuming the ref would allow him to get away with it. Excessive holding/clinching is after all, illegal.

 

First time Tyson ever showed signs of gassing was against Holyfield in the first fight, round 4

But i wouldnt expect this idiot to know that.

Hes absolutely desperate to prove his case atsch

 

Yeah cos that's how boxing works!

Klitschko > Haye > Barrett > Tua > Ruiz > Holyfield > Tyson

God I'm good