1990's Welterweight Fab Four

I don't think the 'leftovers' point is really that important to be honest. What is more important is that Oscar was the better fighter h2h and beat a better ww than Tito beat (Quartey) as I don't count Oscar as a win for Tito, it was such a clear win for Oscar that I can't (around 8-4). I certainly don't believe Camacho is someone to bring up to prove anything, he was well past-prime by that point and not really a great win for either man. Your reasons seem to be Tito beat two guys before Oscar beat them just as convincingly (Carr and Campas) and simple numbers (no of defences etc), but Tito shouldn't hagve reached that no of defences as Oscar beat him, and he never even fought the other most dangerous man in the division, Quartey.

 

he got a gift when he beat whitaker

 

Well bro I respect your opinion but I personally disagree wholeheartedly. You say the leftovers point is not important but still many have said that Oscar beat a much better version of Pea. And then you say :"Your reasons seem to be Tito beat two guys before Oscar beat them just as convincingly." Actually Tito beat Campas and Oba Carr, two tough undefeated fighters in the year 1994 and beat them as convincingly or more so than DLH did. If they weren't so important in your view why did Oscar faced them all the way in 1999 and 2003 respectively , that's a lot of years. And the Camacho thing well Tito beat him in 1994 and Oscar in 1997. Camacho in 1994 may have been past prime but still 31 yrs old.

In essence we see all this in different views. In your view Oscar beat Tito, cool I respect that but I see it differently. I see Tito as the better welter considering the length of his reign, the number of defenses, considering that IMO he beat Oscar in a close fight, and out of the 4 fighters they faced in common (Pea, Carr, Campas, Camacho) Tito beat three out of them years before Oscar and Pea much more convincingly (albeit a worse version), etc.

But I respect your opinion. There's no point in continuing debating cause we'll never agree LOL. I'll continue defending my friend Tito , who I think was the better welter out of the four, but still I don't want to sound as if I believe the others were bums. All were really good but I think Tito edges them. We agree to disagree. Peace and happy new year.

 

Pea didn't beat Trinidad; in fact, he got his jaw busted.

 

Whitaker
Trinidad
DLH
Quartey

 

Oscar beat Pea in '97 when Pea was a bit past-prime, but Pea was shot to **** by the time he faced Tito 2 years later.

Oscar's fights with Carr and Campas were at 154, so they have no relevance to who was the better ww between Tito and Oscar.

How differently? How did you score their fight? I had it 8-4 Oscar.


Happy New Year to you too amigo :good

 

Actually you're right about the DLH-campas fight , my bad , it was at 154 so my comment can be scrapped. Sorry bout that. But the Oba Carr-Hoya fight was at 147, I just double checked it.

Tito vs DLH I saw it as a draw amigo, it could have gone either way IMO. I have watched it a ton of times and I honestly think it was closer than people thought. It was Oscar's fight to lose. I accept the decision could have been given to him but I believe the way he fought those last rounds was awful and he should have engaged Tito more. I wanted a war. I believe Oscar was really cautious with Tito's power, especially at the end, he was totally gassed and if he stood in front of Tito things could have gone terribly wrong. But all that's history, I respect your opinion more than many of the morons who post here. I can see were your coming from with your views. Peace chief.

 

ODH was the best in the 90's he beat all three??? that would make him #1 i would think...and yes he did beat trinidad...even if it were close he proved he was the better fighter...quartey although a tough guy and great underated fighter only fought odh and lost

 

Yeah his awkward style could cause major problems for them, especially if we take the McGirt on 91 who dominated Simon Brown, the Buddy who still had full operational use of the left hook.

Brawlers more than anything troubled McGirt, the likes of Frankie Warren, Tony Baltazar and Genaro Leon or a Meldrick Taylor type who had an incredible workrate.

If you fought at a steady pace and didn't look to brawl, Buddy could out-chess you.

 

Whitaker.
Oscar.
Tito.
Quartey.

 

I'm listing only for stylistic preference which is how I prefer to view my boxers.

Hoya
Trinidad
Quartey
Whitaker

 

:goodi agree:bbbTito in this one

 

I think Ike would have beaten all of them from 1995-1999

 

Whitaker