1991 George Foreman vs present day Daniel Dubois

In an age of ever-decreasing standards, this might be the acceptable bar for some people.

 

Bingo!

 

No, you’re confusing strength with strength endurance lol. Manual labour doesn’t require F all strength, you need some steady strength (endurance in ya muscles) you can’t be a daisy but I’ve done it all brick laying, trench digging, fencing, breaking stones with sledgehammers etc it won’t make you “strong” in an absolute sense a “static” sense as in lifting heavy S that’s an old myth and cope, lifting weights makes you strong not farm work lol which yes I’ve been involved with too, you get better at what you DO a bricklayer will make a weightlifter look like a fool on the job site, the wrestler will rag doll the lifter in a grappling contest and the bodybuilder is absolutely stronger then both if neither lift. Foreman lifted weights in his comeback, the car pulling ain’t that hard stick your car into neutral and push… you can legit find videos of children doing this lol, maybe it’s a feat of endurance but it’s not “strength” at 235lbs Foreman still looked really fluffy, fluffier then Dubios at 250lbs by a LOT mass moves mass I assume if DDD is a dedicated weight lifter on PED’s he’d smoke old GF.

 

Holyfield was an arm puncher to when the combos got rolling, watch the combo he landed on Foreman… no man who is actually turning on his shots can land that much and you stay standing lol.

 

Foreman went the distance with Young fighting in a furnace. He climbed off the floor battling severe dehydration to do so. How you equate that with Dubois turning it up and I don’t know. Probably the same logic that says you know a fatty freak show like Jarell Miller hits harder it in fact does anything better than an ATG fighter like Holyfield.

I’ve seen Foreman vs Holyfield plenty of times. Holyfield was loading up and trying to get a 42 year old who was seen as a bit of a joke beforehand out of there. He couldn’t do it because GF was legitimate. And Daniel Dubois would’ve quit or been stopped if he shipped a fraction of the punishment Foreman did. The guys been stopped 3 times already in 25 fights. Foreman once in 80 (vs Ali no less and he at least got up right on 10 after shooting his bolt trying to defeat Ali). Foreman’s chin was granite. Dubois is fairy floss.

 

Clearly they can because Foreman did.

And even if Evander wasn’t sitting on his shots (which he was) Foreman remaining upright for that is better than DDD falling over from a jab as he’s done x2 in losses lol

 

You’re wrong but that’s fine.

 

Foreman gets stopped by Ali via exhaustion and fails to go for it when Young was rocked R7 = Warrior
Dubois gets up from 3 KDs to beat Lerena and outlasts Miller & Hrgovic in brawls = Quitter

Being an ATG doesn't make you a superhero, Miller is a 100 lbs heavier roid-head with arms the size of Holyfield's head and a higher KO rate. Just look at some of the punches he landed on Dubois.

No he couldn't do it because he fought stupid, he kept trying to back up and bully a 50 lbs heavier man to prove himself. Whenever he moved and boxed he rocked Foreman with his counters/combos and barely got touched in process.

He'd probably knock Holyfield's head off if Holyfield tried to fight him like that.

Yeah, by a prime Joyce and Usyk lmao.

Ive seen people call Dubois a quitter precisely because he got up right on 10 after Usyk got him down. Hypocrisy is insane.

Foreman has a tough chin and so does Dubois to a lesser extent. You guys are just fooling yourselves if you think a chinny and heartless guy could have won the Lerena, Hrgovic and Miller bouts. Put Morrison in there and he'd literally die.

 

Morrison got up from 2 knockdowns vs Carl Williams and won.

Morrison got up from 2 knockdowns vs Puritty and got a draw.

Morrison survived a war vs Ruddock and comeback and won.

Morrison had a broken hand and broken jaw vs Hipp and won.

Morrison had a suspect chin but he certainly didn't lack heart.

Also Foreman didn't fail to go for it vs Young ? He tried to stop him in the 7th round but couldn't quite put the finishing touches on it due to how tricky and slick Young was.

Dubois clearly quit vs Usyk in their 1st meeting after a soft jab in a low output fight as I've said numerous times no matter how much you try and spin the narrative that's what happened.

 

Holyfield has more impressive feats at world level with his power than anything Miller or Hrgovic have done so far in their careers.

Holyfield dropped iron chinned Bowe, Mercer, with single shots both fighters had never been dropped prior to that.

Holyfield dropped iron chinned Tyson with a single uppercut and stopped him.

Holyfield stopped Douglas with a single right hand.

Holyfield dropped Moorer 5 times and stopped him.

What's Hrgovics best showcase of his power against a notable Heavyweight ? Or Miller ? I'll wait.

 

Morrison got up from 4 KDs against Lewis too - stopped on his feet, after taking hellacious punishment (Lewis was landing something like 70-to-80% of his punches, as far as I recall.).

I honestly can't envisage Dubois making it out of the second round against Lewis.

 

If Bowe is as good as you seem to think he is how do you explain the Golota beat downs? Why the ducking of virtually every top heavyweight bar Holyfield? Why the Tubbs debacle? His actual record falls far short of someone supposedly leagues above Dubois unless you feel Golota is also far better than Dubois

Dubois has the spectacular kayo of Joshua. We don't judge him solely by that fight. People here seem to want to judge Bowe solely on the Holyfield trilogy while conveniently omitting the Golota fights among other things

 

You should probably start a new thread, asking these types of questions.

This particular thread asks for an opinion on 1991 George Foreman vs present day Daniel Dubois, which I've given, and I have already pointed out to you that your replies to me have been (and continue to be) off topic.

I didn't bring Bowe's name into it. You did. But, he's irrelevant to the thread's question.

 

Okay I apologize for going off topic. Still as far as Dubois opponents go I would say someone like Miller has far more in common with old Foreman than Usyk in terms of attributes that made old Foreman effective such as durability, aggression and physical size and strength.

 

Joyce was probably the closest to Foreman in style. That didn't go well for Dubois.