1991 - Holyfield/Tyson - Who Wins?

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  1. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Its just that simple. Anyone that does'nt understand Unforgiven's outstanding post, just does'nt have a clue about what the sport of boxing is all about.

    Exactly friend, styles make fights!:good
     
  2. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Funny how different people see things totally different.

    As I was watching Tyson's fights with Ruddock, my thinking was that if a one armed predictable fighter like Ruddock is giving Tyson all he can handle, a multifaceted strong willed fighter like Holyfield would embarrass him.

    Funny how those fights impressed you, and I could'nt believe that Tyson was getting hit by the same telegraphed smash by Ruddock.
     
  3. ironchamp

    ironchamp Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The fight was impressive to the extent that it showcased Tyson's durability and ability to fight back when faced with resistance.

    How he fought Ruddock is not how he would have fought Holyfield. Just like how Holyfield faced Cooper is not the same as how he would have faced Tyson.
     
  4. lefthook31

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    I would give Holyfield more of a chance in 91 than 88, but I still think at that point even in Evanders career, he looked to mix it up more than fight smart. Tyson would have obliged him, and the speed of Tyson would have made a real difference in the fight.
    Think about their fight in 96, Holyfields team which was not the same team he had in 91, devised a gameplan to fight Tyson by making him move back and hold him on the inside. Holyfield was so gassed in the latter parts of that fight, and this was against a Tyson who was not in the same fighting condition and punch output as the Tyson of 91.
    Holyfield still might have been able to pull it out, but it would have been a far more exciting fight than Tyson Holy 96.
     
  5. Loufatski

    Loufatski Boxing Junkie banned

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    Exactly, Holy found Mike's number.
     
  6. streetsaresafer

    streetsaresafer Member Full Member

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    I don't necessarily buy into the notion that Holyfield 'warred' more in the early 90s. Yeah he warred with Cooper but that was because he wanted to finish him early and he didn't respect Cooper enough at the time. Other than Cooper, only Stewart the 1st time and Dokes were fights where I'd say he 'warred'.

    He looked great in his first two fights against Tillis and Pinklon Thomas - in neither one did he take any substantial amount of punishment. He blasted Rodrigues and McDonagh out of there relatively quickly. The Holmes fight is an outlier because Holyfield suffered a bad cut halfway through the fight and was careful the rest of the way (although he didn't take much punishment there either).

    Most importantly, the late 80s, early 90s Holyfield did show an ability to box and execute a gameplan. He did it against Douglas, and he did it again against Foreman. Against Douglas he boxed beautifully and used his jab, and patiently waited for his counter right hand. And against Foreman in 91 - Holyfield boxed Foreman fairly brilliantly I thought (his most underrated performance in my opinion) - He used his feet, jabbed, landed combinations, and won 9 of the 12 rounds decisively.

    So I don't agree with the notion that as soon as Holyfield would get hit by Tyson that he'd revert and turn it into a war. Holyfield didn't need anyone to tell him that Mike Tyson was the most devastating heavyweight in the world at the time (maybe ever in his prime). He most certainly would have had a gameplan and not just needlessly warred with Tyson. Although his granite chin and massive willpower certainly could have allowed him to handle Tyson's shots.

    But I do agree that the fight in 91 would have been more exciting - primarily because Tyson was better then - could go 12 hard rounds, attacked the body much more in 91, and would have been more motivated and focused taking on an unbeaten Holyfield. Holyfield would have been better too, he would have used his feet more instead of clinches to contain Tyson, and he threw a lot more punches in 91.

    In either case, it would have been a great fight and I damn Elijiah Tillery to this day for injuring Tyson's ribs - thus preventing the boxing public from knowing how that fight would have turned out.
     
  7. lefthook31

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    Holyfield was a hard head, and didnt listen to his corner. He was a beautiful boxer when he actually did it, but he loved going toe to toe. He did it against Foreman and Bowe as well, so what makes you think he would all of sudden turn ino a controlled boxer against Tyson who loved to drag his opponents into a slugfest?
     
  8. streetsaresafer

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    He would box Tyson more because he would have respected Mike's power. You would think if there was one fight in Holyfield's whole career where it might behoove him to box more that it would be Tyson. Don't you think Holyfield would realize that? I believe they asked Holyfield after the Bert Cooper fight about Tyson and he said he wouldn't have fought Tyson the way he fought Cooper. I tend to believe him.

    On the other hand, even when they would slug it out, I think Holyfield had the chin and willpower to avoid getting KO'd. Remember, Tyson called Holyfield the best counter puncher he had seen. Tyson was fairly open to getting hit when he would come in so I think Holyfield would take advantage. Also, a prime Holyfield would have had even more opportunities to counter given he was able to throw 5, 6 punch combos the whole round in 91 (where as in 96 he had to pace himself more).

    I think Tyson would have more opportunities to connect on Holyfield, but so would Holy on Mike. Both were better in 91 than in 96.

    I could see Tyson winning no question, but I still favor Holyfield by 12th round TKO if I was betting on the fight.
     
  9. streetsaresafer

    streetsaresafer Member Full Member

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    Tie voting here, holyfield ahead by a few on the classic forum

    My top 3 missed heavyweight fights of all time that I wish would have happened

    1. 1991 - Tyson-Holyfield
    2. 1993 - Bowe-Lewis
    3. 1977-78 - Foreman-Holmes
     
  10. streetsaresafer

    streetsaresafer Member Full Member

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    Tie vote here
    Holyfield ahead on the classic forum by 8 votes

    One thing that needs to be mentioned is that had this fight come off in 91 like it was supposed to, both Tyson and Holyfield's stock would be much higher.

    If Holyfield wins, he would have been thought of as a legitimate HW and great fighter much sooner. It also would have legitimzed the division more so (assuming Tyson still goes to prison in 92). Bowe would be elevated as well, beating Holyfield in 92, who had just beaten Tyson in 91.

    If Tyson wins, his stock would be much higher. The win over a prime Holyfield would unquestionably be the best win of his career. Holyfield would probably be Mike's best, most enteraining fight to date (other than Douglas), and thus even in defeat Holyfield's stock would be elevated. Holyfield would not have slinked away with a loss to Tyson in 91, he showed too much resiliency in his career. He still would have been a major player with in the HW division following the loss to Tyson.

    Both guys stock would rise with this fight