1994 Oliver McCall vs 1974 George Foreman

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  1. Azzer85

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    Ok my bad :good
     
  2. Azzer85

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    Yes, i understand that, but everyone has a plan until they get as i said earlier.
    Until Mccall tastes Foremans power, we wont know how hes going to react
     
  3. Azzer85

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    Precisely how i see it, Foreman is simply levels above Mccall (and Bruno for that matter)

    People are under the assumption that somehow Foreman will gas and Mcall takes over. No, sorry not gonna happen. Mcall aint Ali (in the mental dept).

    The first few rounds will be rocky for Foreman, once he realises Mccall may have mentally caved in, Foreman takes over.

    Come one, Brunos stamina is worse than Foremans and Bruno isnt exactly the strongest mentally either. If he can pull it off, im sure Foreman can.
     
  4. mr. magoo

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    And that's a fair point to bring up. But unlike the other guys you mentioned who " had a plan" I don't think any of them had ever taken shots from Frank Bruno, Lennox Lewis and several other punchers and surviving. McCall was stopped once in 72 fights and that was due to a mental break down, not a failure of his chin. Foreman may very well stop McCall, but I'd be damned if I'd bet on it happening in two rounds the way that some are suggesting.
     
  5. The Mongoose

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    You might be right. My reasoning is Foreman stopped Chuvalo in three. I think Chuvalo was roughly as durable as McCall and applied more educated pressure.
     
  6. The Mongoose

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    Not picking Foreman by stoppage is one thing, but favoring McCall to actaully win this is trash as far as I'm concerned.

    ven if McCall gets the mircale punch like he did agianst Lewis, Foreman is just gong to get up like he did against Lyle and beat him into submission.

    Yeah, Bruno had horrible stamina. Despite pacing the match at his leisure, he still gassed out against McCall and yet saw the final bell to secure the fight, because McCall just isn't that good.
     
  7. mr. magoo

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    I agree with this. McCall should not be favored to win by any means or even given much of a chance. I just don't see it being a walk in the park for Foreman.
     
  8. Rock0052

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    There's a realistic chance for the upset any time you're dealing with an extremely durable fighter and a frontrunner, which (let's face it) young Foreman was.

    Because of that dynamic, McCall winning is much more likely than the Foreman early KO predictions.
     
  9. mr. magoo

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    True.. Oliver McCall was not supposed to beat Lennox Lewis and George Foreman was not supposed to lose to Ali or Jimmy Young. Of course I can't place McCall on the same level as the latter two mentioned names, but the concept still applies.
     
  10. The Mongoose

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    I disagree. Foreman winning by any means is a stronger probability.
     
  11. mr. magoo

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    I don't know if I can agree that Foreman beating McCall in the same or similar fashion as Tyson beating Spinks is more likely than McCall pulling off another Lennox Lewis type upset. For now I'll concur that George is the heavy favorite and certainly capable of forcing a stoppage " at some point."
     
  12. Rock0052

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    Agree to disagree. I've seen that dynamic play out way too many times in history where the durable guy stood little chance on paper and the murderous puncher was screwed later on because he punched himself out. McCall's got enough of a track record against punchers for me to call him a very live 'dog in this fight.
     
  13. Azzer85

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    Im not going to argue with that, Bruno was a very big puncher, almost underrated.

    Of his wins, the only 2 people he didnt KO were Mcall (Self explanatory) and Phil Jackson. The rest Bruno knocked out.

    I never suggested anywhere that Foreman will do it in a couple of rounds. However i do feel Foreman would beat Mcall to a retreating pulp. Whether this lasts the distance i dont know.
     
  14. clark

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    Foreman was just under 225 for Norton. He was confident and mentally strong.
    He went to Norton's body and the head. George Foreman would stop McCall.
     
  15. The Mongoose

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    Why the same or similar fashion as Tyson/Spinks? I don't think anybody is predicting a terrified McCall to crumble from the first shot seconds into the fight. But people are predicting a Foreman/Chuvalo like beatdown, which is a realistic possiblity.