1994 Oliver McCall vs 1974 George Foreman

No, I am asking Foreman to be the Foreman of Ali or Young… or according to Chuvalo, of Chuvalo.

I am asking McCall to be a big strong durable guy which he was.

Have a great weekend.

 

But the initial question asked it be Foreman from the Norton fight. By the way, it's great to see McCall showing age means nothing and still fighting.

 

And Norton didn't have the durability to drag Foreman into deep waters. McCall did.

 

When did Mcall ever drag anyone into deep waters and come out on top?

If he didnt do it against Bruno he aint doing it against Foreman. Brunos whose stamina was worse than Foremans and he was nowhere near as mentally strong or confident as Foreman.

Too much stock is put into Foremans stamina, he ran out of gas in one fight in Zaire pounding the **** out of Ali. Thats why Ali is the greatest of all time, Mcall is not. Mcall will not simply soak up the punishment and then sudeenly heroically turn the fight round.

Frazier too was seen as pretty durable, until Foreman got hold of him.

 

Mcall lost to pretty much every decent fighter he faced.

All hes known for is 2 things
a) his Ko over Lewis
b) his chin

Lewis was always open for a good right hand (See Rahman), so to me theres nothing special about Mcalls punch power, decent right hand yes, but nothing to write home about. If he hadnt kod Lennox, people here wouldnt even be mentioning Mcalls punch power.

Mcalls chin, yes, he took a few punches from Lewis, while he was crying and probably under the influence of drugs, seeing as hed just come from rehab. Other than that, id say his chin is largely untested. Yes, going all these years without being stopped or down is impressive, but doing against certified punchers is a whole different ballgame altogether (see Ali). And MCall has never been punched by George Foreman.

The most Mccall will do is give Foreman rounds while taking a pounding. thats it.

The reason people bring up the Bruno fight is, because this was one of the rare times where Bruno actually won a decision. Bruno, was an overall limited fighter and Mcall coulldnt even put him away. That speaks volumes about Mcalls chances against Foreman who will be looking to take Mcalls head clean off.

Mcall may have a good chin, but what about the body shots Foreman will hit him with? there is a sparing video of Mcall/Tyson on youtube, where Tyson hits Mcall with a bodyshot and Mcall quits and walks out of the ring.

Id be surprised if Mcall was able to beat even Old Foreman, or at least a decent version of the Old Foreman.

 

Go away and watch the fight again if you think Ali just 'outboxed' Foreman. Ali talks all sorts of ****. Wasnt he pissing blood after that fight? Some woman George is. Or Why dont we ask Evander Holyfield, who said when Foreman hit him with a right hand, he thought all his teeth had gone missing.

He may have been, but Mcall isnt Ali or Jimmy Young.

Seldon? Seldon? your comparing Foreman to Seldon. Who DIDNT ko Seldon? Seldon goes down in hsitory as one of, if not the worst alphabet champions of all time. Is it really that impressive 'turning the fight round' against someone the caliber of Seldon? the fact that Mcall had to turn the fight round to someone like Seldon speaks volumes about how good Mcall was. A guy Tyson farted on and Kod.

Your obsessed with weight, you mention weight in every single on of your posts. Weight/size does not equal punch power or strength. You need to realise that. Foreman even fat old Foreman was stronger than Bruno. What happened to Bruno and his so called weight advantage when he was manhandled by the midget Tyson? the same Tyson who was pushed around like a rag doll by Holyfield. The same Holyfield who couldnt even budge old Foreman. If Mcall turned up to fight Foreman while on drugs, its not Foremans problem.

You base this on what? Because Mcall pulled of the miracle against cough cough Seldon?
Or is Mcalls slippery/evasive boxing skills like Young, or is it Mcalls Ali like resilience and mental strength?
Nobody took a pounding from George Foreman and suddenly came back and turned the fight round. Except Ali, and Mcall aint no Ali. What happened to Mcalls skills against the limited Bruno?
Mcalls chins good, but he aint been punched by George Foreman.

You mention Mcall turned the fight round, yes, but against the likes of Seldon, But you failed to mention he lost to every single decent fighter he fought. And not one of them is worthy of carrying Foremans jockstrap

 

Well, if this is a jockstrap carrying competition, that is something different altogether.

 

Mccall cant even win that :smoke

 

Wow! Take a deep breath and relax!

Have it your way: Foreman was a monster!

 

Is this all a joke?

 

You're talking about Mike Tyson's chief sparring partner.

 

Just catching up on this thread. I'll say one thing:

The Tyson stopped Spinks, Holmes, Biggs, etc. and McCall looked bad against Bruno (who never even knocked down McCall) so Foreman will stop McCall line of reasoning has to be some of the most dissociated **** I've ever heard. We're seriously bringing Tyson into this for reasons other than his sparring with McCall?

And the limiting factor in this fight is Foreman's stamina. It's a Wlad/Brewster or Wlad/Purrity scenario. If Foreman keeps his pace steady, he should win. If he gasses, he gets stopped.

 

Joke thread.

Back in the day I was at live sparring sessions watching Tyson "spar" lol, FIGHT McCall at the gym...............pure wars.

Tyson's speed usually got the upperhand, both foot and hand and he was very good coming underneath the jab going up and downstairs.

McCall held his own.........strong really strong like a ox...excellent gas tank......iron beard, relative quick feet, great power , he was also difficult to get hit clean, he "turns" when the artillery comes in.

The problem was Tyson's speed and rapid combos but come on, everybody was overwhelmed by that .

Foreman is everything but fast, strong, yes but wide punches and complete disregard for defense..........aging Ali hit him with lead rights, which are a total insult to a pro fighter AT WILL.

Foreman ain't stopping McCall..............I could see a quick Ref BS TKO while McCall goes into a shell to weather the storm but besides that no way.

If Foreman goes all out and can't get it done in four he is done, Bank on it.

He could possibly win a decision if the crazy disinterested McCall shows up going thru the motions and paces himself.

Most likely young Foreman does what he always did come out for blood, blow his wad against the equally strong McCall and gets stopped by accumulation of punches plus fatigue.

BTW, McCall would walk thru Frazier, no doubt.

 

no point in debating with this guy. Most of his posts are normally stupid anyway