(1995) "Merciless" Ray Mercer vs "Iron" Mike Tyson

Christ on the cross on a Sunday in church......Maybe we should start praising Ali as a stronger puncher than Foreman? Surely, he would deck Norton and Frazier with his superior timed right hand. :roll:

 

I'm not saying Holy hit harder than Mike did........ WTF?:huhatsch

I'm saying Holy was a better overall technician...... Who also owned underrated power.......
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You ever seen Holy KO "Qawi, Seamus McDonough, Douglas, Cooper, Tyson & Moorer" before........ Its all good and convincing......
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yep

 

I would agree with this too. Holyfields power is underated but his accuracy isnt. Thats what made a lot of his shots so affective, was his ability to land shots right on the button. He dropped some iron chinned fighters with good solid accurate shots. He hurt Tyson far more with an inside uppercut in the second fight in round 1, I believe, than that BS balance shot that dropped Tyson in the first fight. Both shots did a number on Tyson mentally though, as he basically came apart mentally after both of them.

 

This would have been a good durable safe fight for Tyson to take on his comeback. Mercer isn't outbrawling Tyson on the inside but he will make him work and will make him fight. Having said that Tyson may have had the inside game to knock Mercer out

 

People here pick Mercer to win against Tyson :-(.
How cum ?
Jesse Fergusson was Mercer's daddy.
Imagine what a real tough guy like Ross Puritty would have done to him.
And then I recall , this is a thread about Tyson vs. Mercer.
And I do not disrespect Fergusson too much as he also outpointed James Douglas and gave McCall trouble (although lost to him)

 

timing is part of punching ability. holyfield had excellent timing whereas tyson had poor timing in 1996. holyfield fight is relevant because mercer too had a very good chin and make couldn't get the win just by throwing several good combinations and smashing the opponent's chin. tyson threw some very good combinations against holyfield - i like the left hook that holy blocks but then tyson follows up with a clubbing right that gets holy.

sure, holy didn't punch harder than tyson. there isn't a much difference in speed because let's face it - holy had a fast hands too. tyson sporadically showed good combination punching but so did holy. power aside, i didn't see tyson outpunch holy at all in any way. they did fight toe to toe and tyson was still in good physical shape.

 

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safe fight like douglas, botha, williams, mcbride? i know these fights were at different stages of tyson's ability but mercer is not a safe fight by any means! a safe fight is mcneeley, seldon, etienne...

a durable guy like mercer who fights with holy and lewis is not "safe"...that's a specific, strong word that does not apply here

 

Did you name yourself after the ale of the same name?

Tyson was shot when he faced williams, mcbride, against Botha he was ultra rusty. Douglas at his best is a league above Mercer, with much different attributes

Mercer is fighting at such a level, Mercer is an inside/mid range fighter and that type of fighter isn't winning out against a much better inside/mid range fighter, especially as he's even worse down the stretch than Mike. I'm not saying Mercer is a bad fighter by any means

 

I can't award any credibility to someone who mentions Tyson's losses to McBride and Williams as though they actually mean something. When it all comes down to it, those fights are probably the equivalent of Ali's defeats to Holmes and Berbick.

 

those guys were considered "safe" fights :yep for a deteriorated tyson. tyson of 1995 was not as deteriorated but then mercer was a lot better.

my only point is that it is outright silly to call ray mercer a safe fight for a '95 tyson.

 

Tyson could be as a accurate puncher as Holyfield and was much more efficient at timing the left hook under the jab...even in 95-96. The difference in the actual Holyfield/Tyson fight was Evander had Mike's punches and combinations well scouted. He let Tyson lead and reacted off what he did, often avoiding his punchers and countering with his own. Mike was still an accomplished combination puncher..as evident by the brilliant Mathis KO, but Evander broke his rhythym continously.

In terms of the...you know the topic at hand. Tyson would find the same openings for the left hook that the rusty Holyfield did against Mercer. Holyfield was actually fighting like a taller, slower Mike in the left hook barrage highlight I posted. Mercer doesn't really offer much more than 96 Bruno did, except way smaller, not nearly as strong and maybe a little more durable.

Tyson measures Bruno with ease...

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Good point about Holy's accuracy........... Holy was a very good sharp-shooter in his prime.......
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The hell? Buster Douglas at 246 jiggly pounds of jelly was NOT in his best shape in Oct. 1990 for Holy as he was for Tyson earlier in February...... C'mon, Douglas was much better fit at 231 when he KO'd Tyson's ass in Japan..... 1990 saw both sides of Douglas' coin..........
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I'm convinced...Mercer top 5 ATG! Definetly ahead of Tyson and Liston, and somewhere below Ike, Ruddock, and Tua.


I also recall Tyson was knocked out by Little Mac...yeah, a short white guy with slumped shoulders and midget arms. Pathetic. :-(

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