1995 Tyson cleans up the Heavies according to...

If it was Boxing Illustrated there'd have been a cover article by Bert Sugar saying that Luis Firpo would whup them all.

 

The beginning of it was correct, but instead of pleading Lewis to box, Steward pleaded Lewis to let his hands go and knock Tyson out, which he eventually did. Of course that was 7 years later.

Switch the names and you have a pretty good prediction on how the Holyfield-Tyson fight went.

 

Amazing some of the fights that DID happen, like Tyson Holyfiled or Tyson Lewis, it was the other way around.


Was kinda of shock to see Seldon make it to round 6 lol. Seldon could have fought Tyson 1000 times, and there was no way he would have made it past the first.

 

holyfield knocks out tyson like he did in 1996. i'm not putting money on lewis-tyson but i pick lewis to win. tyson of '96 would have his quickness but not his conditioning and therefore the ability to come right back from a punch. tyson may land a clubbing right on lewis like he did on holy but never count no a single big shot. tyson will eat a right hand from lennox and his lack of conditioning will make it tough to come back.

1987-88 tyson still loses to holyfield. to beat holy you need consistent, dynamic boxing strategy which is something tyson never really practiced. if things aren't going your way, change your style. do some more body punching. etc. tyson didn't do this enough. holy wins.

i actually pick a '87 tyson to beat lennox. this tyson was well conditioned and fought often. so he could take a big punch and come right back with his own. this ability combined with his quickness would be a big problem for lennox.

tyson's career after prison was a sham imo. he had a good win over bruno (whom he already easily beat prior). i don't remember the matthis fight. the golota fight was a good performance. the ko over botha was memorable but otherwise an awful performance. i remember tyson as the fighter of the 80s.

clearly that computer is biased for tyson or goes only by physical talent.

 

Typical, Tyson wins all of them by knockout

 

Luis Firpo? LOL Chris..Firpo made amatuers look like willie pep huh?

I think this article above shows just how overrated tyson of the mid 1990s was. He had declined a lot more than people realized.

 

I know today its pretty much forgotting, but before fight time, Holyfiled was as big as a underdog as Douglas about.

It was not as long as Douglas, I belive Evander was a 20 something underdog.

By fight time, it was around 4-2 or so.

 

out of curiosity, why the gradual change? i think it had more to do with how overrated tyson was than holy. remember, tyson was the favorite in the rematch even though he got his ass soundly beaten by holyfield. you could see from the round after round of clinical outboxing that this was not some fluke or lucky punch.

 

o btw, it's not forgotten but buried as it should be because people were just being stupid to discount holy like that and overrate tyson with his mediocre performance against mcneeley & bruno. now the douglas fight is another matter altogether. i too would have heavily picked tyson. people keep talking 89 seconds mcneeley but forget that mcneely pushed tyson back and made a total mockery of tyson by misbehaving in the ring as long as he did. it's sad that that fight was almost as long as the spinks fight when it should have been shorter. mcneeley was a clubfighter that tyson should have taken insult to even be in the same ring with! that fight like a lot of tyson's fight after prison was a sham.

 

For a movement, I thought Peter was going to beat Tyson when I saw him pushing Tyson back like he did lol. No one, and I mean no one did that to Tyson(Outside of Douglas of couse) before.

Than it went with Tyson getting into motion in dropping McNeely 3 or so times, before the corner jump in and of couse leaded to the DQ on McNeenly's part.

But yeah I was pretty shock to see Tyson getting push back like that. I talking seeing it live of couse.

 

The Boxing Illustrated computer obviously entered data for the 1988 incarnation of Tyson by mistake !

 

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Many people need to study his fights closely and see how badly faded he actually was.

 

I think it is important to put the article in context if it was indeed written in 95.

-Struggling with his conditioning, Bowe was coming off a poor 94 with ugly wins over Mathis Jr and Donald that got really bad press. He also looked vulnerable in his 95 wins over Hide and Holyfield.

-Lennox Lewis had just suffered a humilating one punch knockout loss to Oliver ****ing McCall and wouldn't rebulid his credibility as a serious contender until almost 2 years later.

-Evander Holyfield was a physical mess teetering in and out of retirement, looking horrible in a loss to Moorer and being stopped for the first time of his career against Bowe.

In contrast, Tyson had just destroyed the difficult Mathis Jr. in one of his more impressive knockouts; making adjustments and timing a slick spoiler. Its easy in retrospect to say..wow, he's so faded, Holyfield will take him apart. Everyone back than was an idiot...blah blah.

The Bruno prediction was amazingly accurate...Third Round TKO.

 

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I agree..

While Mike Tyson was hardly the man we saw in 1987, I remember this article, and I believe that it DID take into consideration, the state of the rest of the division... The 90's were a very competitive decade, but in 1995, it seemed to be over troubled waters, with some of the best fighters either losing to or struggling with lesser opposition, ie. Moorer losing to Foreman, Lewis getting beat by McCall, Holyfield's inactivity and health problems, etc.. etc.. Regardless of his leave from the ring, Tyson was heavily favored to cripple Holyfield, and many were even picking him to once again unify the crown in undisputed fashion...