1996 - "Tyson Ducked Lewis" ?

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  1. crippet

    crippet Well-Known Member Full Member

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    All fighters age differently - You have used the Bowe was shot excuse in an attempt to discredit Lewis, when comparing common opponents
    Now you are using the shot/damaged excuse on Ruddock to discredit Lewis's win.
    It become tiresome and predictable after a while - coincidence after coincidence, where a Lewis win is explained away by his opponent being shot/damaged etc etc etc
    When Lewis WAS actually way past his prime and overweight he still managed to find a way to win against Vitali Klitschko....something a past prime Bowe,Holyfield or Tyson could ever do.
    You are a very good poster, but it's sad you spoil it by going overboard in your attempt to discredit Lewis..
     
  2. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Im not discrediting Lewis win just your ignorant post that he got better after 19 brutal rounds with Tyson. Ruddock like Bowe, if you want to make a comparison got worse, like Bowe, losing to Morrison, who was closer to Golota's level than Tyson or Lewis.
     
  3. Kalasinn

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    Don King offered offered Lewis a generous $13.5million contract to fight Tyson in '96 & it's a fact. Lewis (rightfully) didn't like the options in the contract which King would have over him for a few fights afterwards if he won, but these options had to be accepted by all Tyson opponents while King was managing him. Did Lewis think he was special? Holyfield happily took $8million ($5.5million less than the Lewis offer!) from King to fight Tyson & accepted the contact options. Yes Lewis was given $4million set-aside money. This is because Tyson-Holyfield was what Don King prefered greatly, due to Evander not refusing to sign a contract with options! The $4million was less than the $5.5million extra (on top of $8million) than would have been paid to Lewis had he accepted the King contract & it's options anyway.

    Where in that did Tyson "duck" Lewis? :huh:huh
     
  4. crippet

    crippet Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Irony............It's as valid saying he got better as it is as saying he got worse. If this was a one off you might have a point - but you are very vocal and repetitive and glaringly over analytical when trying to pick weakness's in Lennox Lewis's resume and career.
    If you used the same criteria when assessing Evander Holyfields career, he would be lucky to be a top 30 heavyweight.
     
  5. Kalasinn

    Kalasinn ♧ OG Kally ♤ Full Member

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    Read my post.

    You clearly didn't read my post.

    My factual post is factual. :deal
     
  6. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    When you start losing or struggling against lessor opposition your getting worse. Evander like Bowe started losing or struggling against lessor competition in a clear sequence.
    I dont really get what your trying to prove, but Ruddock himself has admitted the Tyson fights finished him and he was never the same. I think his performances after Tyson are confirmation of that.
     
  7. Kalasinn

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    Was Tyson free to accept that offer or was Tyson a mere puppet under the total control of his manager & promoter Don King...

    Just as i thought. Puppet it is. :deal

    My post still stands, you just don't like it.
     
  8. Unforgiven

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    I'm not sure Holyfield's the man to go to for the facts.
    I mean, he's half right, he was given those shots at Bowe ('93) and Tyson ('96) because they thought he was ready to be taken and easier than Lewis. But he doesn't know what happened in negotiations before that. Or what offers Lewis turned down.
    And ironically, he's saying all that after Lewis has been accused him too of avoidance for a year or two.
     
  9. Kalasinn

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    :yep:good
     
  10. Unforgiven

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    Yeah, I think Tyson didn't want to fight Lewis in the 2000s, mentally he didn't fancy it at all. He was finished and he knew it, and was going more than slightly crazy at that point. It was Lewis and the boxing establishment who forced that fight.
    But you can't say Tyson was ducking the champion.
     
  11. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    In all fairness to Tyson,I reckon if it was left to him,he'd have defended the WBC title against Lennox in '96. Imo,it was Don King protecting his boy from Lewis. Pity that their fight never happened in that year,as it would have been a lot more competitive than their 2002 bout. Still a Lewis victory,in my view.
     
  12. thistle1

    thistle1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Lewis NEVER beats a prime Tyson.
     
  13. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You could be right.thistle. But Lewis could still have beaten a 1996 Tyson.
     
  14. Tyson could never beat Lewis. Lewis wasnt afraid of him so he would never lose. And who in the hell did Tyson fight who was in their primes who was considered world class anyway?
     
  15. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Cant the same be said for Lewis? Who the hell did Lewis beat in their prime that was considered world class?