1996 - "Tyson Ducked Lewis" ?

This arguement is stupid anyway. Tyson wasnt ready to face a fighter of Lewis caliber four fights into his comeback, hell he wasnt ready ten fights into his comeback. I think had Don King had all of the guys under promotional contract he wouldnt have had any problem fighting them against each other. Tyson was going to fight Morrison and Moorer and Holyfield, and Don King did a good job of signing up just about every name heavyweight of the time to have in his pool of fighters to fight Tyson. He didnt need Lewis. He had the IBF and WBA titles and a lot of big name fighters to creat PPV events with. Lewis was simply left out of he equation due to his unwillingness to work with King, and I cant say I blame him.
Noone wanted to work with Lewis anyway, ever, and had Lewis got the WBC title and King controlled all the fighters and the other two titles, Lewis would have had to concede to get some big money fights, it just didnt work out that way.

 

You could say that but then you can say Tyson and Lewis are around the same age so if Tyson was past his prime when they fought they so was Lewis. Then you can say Lewis toyed with and knocked out your boy Tyson. You can also say Lewis still beat Holyfield something Tyson didnt do or couldnt do.

I also dont remember Lewis ever ducking 40 year old guys like Foreman or any other fighter he knew would crush him. People ducked Lewis.

 

You could also say Lewis got better as he got older whereas Tyson rotted in jail for four years and got worse. Lewis was also knocked out twice by one punch. I dont really care to debate a dead topic but its pretty clear Lewis and Tyson had somewhat similar careers, dominating good not great opposition, but personally I feel Tyson did a better job against a better group of opponents than Lewis did, but thats my opinion.

 

Last point then. I am not saying who did better against what opponents. Because can only fight who is willing to fight you. People avoided Lewis so by the time Holyfield got to him he was past his prime. I think a prime Holyfield would of beat Lewis.

What i am saying is I dont believe Tyson could ever beat Lewis. Well he could get a lucky punch in here or there but 9 out of 10 times I see Lewis stopping Tyson.

 

If Mcall and Rahman could beat Lewis and Frank Bruno and Ray Mercer could give him all kinds of hell I think a prime Tyson would wipe the floor with any version of Lewis, but again, thats my opinion.

 

Pretty selective arguments that you can use on any fighter, how about 'if Buster Douglas and Holyfield can dominate Tyson and Lewis destroyed in 2 the Rudduck Tyson had hard fights with then......' works both ways. I'm undecided on a prime for prime match and a fan of both

 

Great point Powerpuncher. I once saw a guy say if Ron Lyle could knock down Foreman then so would Tyson or Louis. Then based on that if Douglas could knock out Tyson then so would Foreman which he would and if Billy Conn could hurt Louis then Foreman would kill him.

Both McCall and Rahman were taller than Tyson and both had better right hands. Lewis also took both of them lightly. When he took them serious he dominated.

 

I dont believe Holyfield or Douglas fought a peak Tyson and I also dont believe Tyson had a hard time with Ruddock. Yes the same can be said for Lewis, but Lewis was probably physically better against Mcall than Tyson was against Douglas and Tyson was probably physically better but technically worse against Holyfield than Lewis was against Rahman, but I also think both Holyfield and Douglas, were technically superior to Rahman or Mcall.

 

Douglas didnt fight a peak Tyson? Yep now you are just being a nutthugger. Tyson was in his prime. Ok so Foreman wasnt in his peak when Ali beat him, Lewis wasnt in his peak when McCall beat him. Infact no boxer ever had a peak now who lost.

Tyson was at his peak and a light punching,glass chin Douglas stopped him. Holyfield was done when Tyson got to him and still knocked him out. Stop making excuses beat you like a certain fighter.

 

No Tyson was not at his best when he faced Douglas and Holyfield, just as I dont believe Lewis was at his best against Mcall and Rahman.
What does Foreman have to do with this? Foreman didnt go to prison, Foreman didnt revamp his style under a new trainer. Really has no relevance to the discussion.

 

They lost UD and I wouldnt say Tyson was even close to the best he became. Using Tucker and Smith would be a better example, but it doesnt matter, I think Lewis would fight more and get knocked out. I dont necessarily believe Lewis couldnt make it the distance, but I think Tyson would beat him best for best and rather easily.

 

Tyson was 23 year olds when Douglas beat him so if that is past his prime then you know jack **** about boxing and if that is the case I will be ignoring you soon. Tyson was in jail? So ****ing what? That means his body was not being worn down by boxing like Holyfield's was and Holyfield still stopped him. I guess Tyson wasnt at his peak when James Tillis almost beat him?

I mentioned Foreamn because I felt like it. I could of been any boxer. I could of said Hearns wasnt at his peak when Hagler beat him . I was making a point that you are just making excuses for Tyson because you are a fan.

 

Yeah yeah dont know **** about boxing. Yes Tyson was in his physical prime. He probably was when he got out prison when he was only 29 years old, but he was not in his fighting prime, and I think that was about as clear as Lewis' improving quite a bit after the Mcall loss.
Boxing is about timing and repetition, being holled up in a cell and not going through any type of boxing motions for four years doesnt really keep your skills in check. :!:

 

Fail!!!!!
Hearns was not at his peak nor his best weight division against Hagler!
Try again!

 

Again your point is silly, You act as if before Tyson went to jail he was beating guys like Ali, Frazier, Foreman, and Lewis. He wasn't beating top guys before he went to jail. He went to jail, came out and the quality of fighters got better since he went to jail and Don King no longer controlled the heavyweight division. Which ment tougher fights for him and no Don King set ups. Well besides Peter McNelly and the guy he won the title from with out landing a punch