1996-Tyson vs Lewis - What would have happened?

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  1. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    I am just not sure where Tyson's resume after 1996 really fits into the topic. Just wondering what you thought about the outcome of that fight, and how it would have changed the landscape of the division afterwards.
     
  2. Beeston Brawler

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    I think the point Gaz is trying to make is that there is little evidence to suggest that Tyson would have been able to live with a 1996 Lewis - pretty much peak.

    Granted, he defeated Bruno quicker than Lewis and much more convincingly, but Tyson was a stylistic nightmare for Frank, who had mentally retired after accomplishing his dream against McCall. It also ought to be said that the Lewis fight was probably his best performance.

    Furthermore, people tend to forget that Lennox was also past his best by the time he and Mike shared a ring. Not to the same extent that Mike was (nowhere near) but still......
     
  3. WiDDoW_MaKeR

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    So, if you believe that Lewis would have won. How do you then see the second half of the 90's playing out in the Heavyweight division?
     
  4. robpalmer135

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    the story goes that lewis used to pick tyson apart in sparring
     
  5. WiDDoW_MaKeR

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    The only story was that they were kids, and at first Tysonw as busting Lewis up. Then, after they had sparred for a while Lewis started to figure Tyson out and get the better of it. They were only teenagers, though.

    How about the topic? Who wins in 1996, and how does the division play out afterwards?
     
  6. GazOC

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    I think in 1996 Tyson def, has a chance to drag up one last great performance and Lewis could obviously be KO'd when caught but I think at that point Tyson really fallen out of love with boxing, was mentally "all over the place" and also his skills were in decline (the head movement and combos esp.).

    The opposition up that point hadn't been able good enough to really expose this and even a 80% Tyson was good enough to KO most of the contenders out there but the Holyfield fights showed what Tysons level was at that point. He was out fought, out boxed, out manned, basically went into survival mode when his initial attacks didn't deter Holyfield and was more than happy to take the KO and end the beating. He never beat a top heavyweight after that fight IMHO.

    Lewis has shown himself to be fragile against McCall and Rahman but these were not part of a general decline like Tysons performances, more like slips of concentration or appilication and a focussed Lewis still had the skills to give his best performances, whereas for even a focussed Tyson that time had gone.

    I think in 1996 Lewis outpoints or stops Tyson late, then goes on the get the points decisons against Holy a couple of years earlier then he did actually get then and go on to dominate the division as he did.
     
  7. Beeston Brawler

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    Firstly, yes I do believe that Lewis would win, probably late stoppage in a similar fight to the one that actually happened, but not as one-sided.

    I think that the late 90's of the heavyweight division would have panned out in a similar manner to how it actually did, but we would have seen unification earlier.... the Holyfield fights would still have happened, and there would have been two.

    Stylewise Lennox is Evander's worst nightmare, and therefore but for some dodgy judging, it would have been two wins for LL.

    From say 1998, from when this would have been concluded, we would have seen Lewis do pretty much what he did - there wasn't much by way of competition that he didn't fight at that stage.
     
  8. WiDDoW_MaKeR

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    Let's not forget that in 1996 Lewis had been knocked out by McCall not too long ago, and had just gone life and death with Ray Mercer in an extremely close fight. I am not sure that Lewis was mentally ready for Tyson yet at that point. However, had he fought and beat Tyson, I would have loved to see Mercer get a rematch in a 12 round fight. Also, a pretty shop worn Holyfield gave Lewis about all he could handle in their rematch in 1999. I don't think that Lewis is that bad of a style match-up for Holyfield. Not as bad as Bowe was for him. Another fight that I would have loved to have seen, of course we know what happened there. I would have also loved to see Lewis against a power punching southpaw like Moorer. We never got to see how Lewis could handle a southpaw.
     
  9. sitiyzal

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    Lewis ko 10. People make far too much out of Tyson's chances of a ko. He'd have no plan B after not hurting Lewis & still end up a sitting duck by around the halfway point.
     
  10. DDA365

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    Why dont you tell us why.
     
  11. TheGreat

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    Who knows but I will say that Tyson while raw in 96 was still young and was 10 X better than the Tyson that fought Nielson and Lewis, IMO Tyson's speed would've given Lewis fits.
     
  12. Beeston Brawler

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    I think Lewis was off-colour in the Holyfield rematch, whilst Evander probably had the 'I dodged a bullet last time' feeling and was determined to put it right.

    But for Eugenia Williams's sheer incompetence, there would have been no reason for a return at all - Evander was stood on his head for the most part, the only error Lewis made was not trying to stop him in the 5th.

    Bowe is a tough one for Evander I admit, but in terms of his great showings, they were pretty much it - take those away and his resume is pissweak. He was scared of Lennox - so not even going to talk about that one!

    I must say I have no idea how he would handle a powerful southpaw..... I suppose his jab would be neutralised to a degree, but with his height and reach he was pretty hard to hit when focused. Tough question, one that I cannot answer :good
     
  13. WiDDoW_MaKeR

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    I don't feel that Lewis was mentally ready to fight Tyson at that point. Considering his knockout loss to McCall, and his life and death struggle with Mercer. I don't think that Lewis' confidence was all there yet.
     
  14. TheGreat

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    :rofl I'm not saying tyson would win BUT it took Lewis 8 rds to KO a shot, used up Tyson, if anyone gets KO'd here its Lewis.
     
  15. DDA365

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    Ah fair enough, you may be right.

    People still thought Tyson was as good as ever at that point didnt they?