1996-Tyson vs Lewis - What would have happened?

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  1. boxingwizard

    boxingwizard Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think he would've won the 12 round rematch with Mercer similarly, a match up with Holyfield in 96 would be tough, Holyfield still had a lot left then, that would've been a close one, Holyfield may've edged that one out. Lewis would've stopped Bowe. I would've liked to see him against Moorer too, I think he probably would've stopped Moorer too but that fight would've gave a lot of emphasis on future southpaw match-ups. If you had a good jab, you could be somewhat competitively with Lennox Lewis, even Hasim Rahman showed that in the first fight.
     
  2. rayhogan

    rayhogan Dont worry Pac, you wont Full Member

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    Umm widdow did you read this? Tyson was offer 45 million dollars to fight Lewis but turn it down but instead fought Holyfield cause he and king thought Holyfield was a done fighter in which Holyfield surprise alot of people.
     
  3. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    I don't think he have lasts that long with Iron Mike. Look at how quickly Oliver McCall had him out of there. Hit that chin and it's goodnight.
     
  4. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    Yeah... what does that have to do with this thread? Are you guys still going on about someone ducking the other? That wasn't even the point.:patsch I already said that I don't think Lewis was scared to fight Tyson. What I said was that I feel Lewis passed up a big opportunity when he declined the offer to fight Mike in the first place. Lewis could have put his stake in the ground right then. Lewis could have fought Tyson, made even more for a rematch if he beat Tyson.... and got that early Holyfield fight for himself. As I said before, the heavyweight division would have had to go through Lewis. I don't see why people are arguing this. By taking the step aside cash instead, it forced Lewis to wait another 3 years before he would become recognized Champ. By that time, the other 90's heavyweights were just washed up. What we ended up with was Lewis being a transitional Champ who took over after Holy, Tyson, Bowe, Moorer, Foreman, ect... faded out, who held the title until the new era came in. I just feel that he could have done so much more.
     
  5. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    i think that if he had accepted the 13+ million to beat Tyson and let himself get under the contractual grip of Don King it might have ****ed him enough to damage his career.
     
  6. Radar

    Radar Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Uh-huh. And you were how old? 10? :lol: :lol: :lol:

    This pathetic thread is a weak-assed attempt to stir up bull**** - just like the "headbutt" thread was. :hi:
     
  7. BewareofDawg

    BewareofDawg P4P Champ Full Member

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    are you having "I'm an *******" problems. I asked what the terms of the 13.5 million offer were. When was the fight to take place. If you need me to tell you I didn't follow boxing then fine, if you need me to tell you I'm illiterate then fine. Just tell me when the ****ing offer was for, and what were the conditions of the offer. You brought it up, you can at least elaborate on it a little. :deal
     
  8. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    Yeah, I am turning 30 this year... which would definitely make me 10 years old in 1996. Smart as ever I see.:good


    BTW, what sort of impact do you feel that fight would have had on the division in 1996? How do you see the Heavyweight division playing out afterwards?
     
  9. sitiyzal

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    There seems to be no info online about the $13.5m offer other than the NY Times' mention of it. Someone mentioned that the Lewis-Tyson book has the full story.
     
  10. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    Well, let me grab the contract... I think that I have a spare copy in my dresser drawer. The contract was for a fight in 1996, once again. The guarantee was for 13.5 million. Lennox Lewis had never expressed problems with options being in the contract, as his reasoning for NOT taking the fight was that Tyson promised to fight him right after the Seldon fight. So... if Lewis was willing to accept the fight after the fight with Seldon... then clearly he was willing to accept an offer from King and Tyson. Also, Lewis was a mandatory challenger. A promoter can NOT force options onto a mandatory challenger. There was even a court injunction barring Tyson from fighting anyone other than Lennox Lewis, unless Lewis agreed otherwise.

    Now... if you could move on from the FACT that Lewis declined that offer. How would you have seen that fight play out? What impact would that have had on the 90's heavyweight landscape?
     
  11. Antsu

    Antsu Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think Lewis would have defeated inactive Tyson.

    However Tyson was much more dangerous back then than 2002, so he could knock average chinned Lewis out.
     
  12. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    **** me!! 10 pages to say "Lewis would have beaten Tyson in 1996, gotten (and won) the Holyfield fights earilier and gone on to dominate the division"
     
  13. BoxingFanNo1

    BoxingFanNo1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Lewis would have beaten Tyson. As I stated before, Tyson post Rooney was a shell. After that things would have pretty much ran the course that it did. Top contenders getting beat. I still think he'd have had a loss early 2000's because he became complaicent.

    Bottom line for me is if Lewis had fought Tyson anytime post 1995 (Which is imo the time Lewis had manouvered himself into a position to fight him) he'd have won. From then on there was no-one that was a real challenge to him. It's unfortunate because I'd have loved Lewis to have the guys around him Ali did. 4 good-great fighters that could test him. There would have been some great battles.

    Imo things would have just panned out the way they did.
     
  14. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    Fair enough.:good Lewis beating Tyson post prison sure isn't hard to imagine.

    Yes, once Tyson stopped using his great combination punching and head movement, he really wasn't the same fighter. I think that Tyson fell in love with his power, and someone should have let him know that although he was a powerful puncher, that wasn't his best asset. His greatest attribute was his speed and explosiveness. Although I don't give Tyson any excuses because the mental aspect of this sport is just as, if not more important as the physical aspect.

    As far as Lewis having good-great fighters around him. I think that the 90's had some top notch opponents for him to fight, the fights were just never made. Lewis vs younger Tyson, Lewis vs younger Holyfield, Lewis vs Moorer, Lewis vs Foreman, Lewis vs Bowe, ect... I would have loved to see those fights. I am sure that none of them were dying to jump into the ring vs Lewis, since he was sort of lurking in the shadows and hadn't yet snatched his place in the spotlight. This is basically why I am so confused as to why he didn't take the fight when it was offered. I think that would have done a number of things for him. It would have put him on top much sooner had he won. He would have got the credit for beating that version of Tyson, and a younger Holyfield. It would have also forced the division to run through him. Possibly he could have motivated Bowe for a fight. He could have had a unification fight against Moorer. I think that the 90's would have actually looked A LOT different had that fight taken place.
     
  15. Brighton bomber

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    Prime Tyson was a very special fighter but the 96 version of Tyson had little to offer other than speed, power and intimidation. He no longer had the movement, defence or combinations to beat Lewis and Don King new this which is why he did his best to keep his fighters away from Lewis. Lennox would have stopped Tyson late.

    Had Lewis not taken the $4 million it would not have changed the landscape of the 90's heavyweight scene by any discernable amount. Tyson and King wanted to fight an easier fight against Seldon to unify he WBC and WBA titles which would have meant a Lewis/Tyson fight later that year would have been for 2 titles instead of 1. But instead of fighting Lewis, Tyson fought Holyfield which resulted in Tyson being stripped of the WBC title.

    So even if Lewis had forced his mandatory status he would have been $4 million worse of and still not gotten his chance to fight Tyson in a defining fight. The only difference it may have had is Tyson getting stripped earlier and Lewis fighting for the Vacant WBC title earlier and probably against someone other than McCall would probably still be in rehab at that time.