1997 Briggs drops out of his fight, in steps 11-0 Vitali Klitschko

nah, we not doing that. You laid a gambit down..............not me

 

Thought so.

 

Archie Moore beat an Olympic gold medalist at almost 50 years old.

That said, I'd pick an 11-0 Vitali to beat the Foreman who fought Briggs.

 

You don't have a gotcha moment.

You said and I quote "Vitali was a high level am. He would’ve beaten Foreman in his pro debut."

I asked you to give me any example of a high level amateur beating a 70 fight vet in their pro debut. Rather than admitting you couldn't find an example of this (because example A doesn't exist), you answered a question with another question. When asked to substantiate it with a valid example you couldn't even do that and tried to red herring it into another question. As a matter of fact, what you said is double down goofy because I never even gave a personal opinion on if 11 fight Vitali would have won or not which would actually have been "the" relevant question for you to ask.

You said something that wasn't very smart then knowing you couldn't back it up when asked tried to ask something that isn't even a point of contention.

"thought so" my ass

Just admit you lost this one...................

incidentally I think Vitali with 11 fights would've won but saying a 0-0 guy would've won is kinda silly

 

True, but we’re talking about an undersized journeyman in Rademacher. More exception than rule. And I’d pick Foreman to beat the version of him who fought Moore. Rademacher screams Foreman comeback opponent, actually.

 

The guy who Maskaev beat in his pro debut (Miroshnichenko) may have been better than a shot Foreman. If you scour the smaller divisions there are plenty of other examples.

 

I agree Vitali was on a different level to Rademacher.

 

I took a look at this guys record and pulled up a fight on youtube. His record was definitely built upon the same straw the little pigs built their first house of

That kinda person it's not surprising to see lose to someone in their debut, I don't think I've ever seen anyone who's record was so built upon 0 win victims, then to lose..............and then subsequently retire. There's no way that guy was better than a shot Foreman though, let's be real my friend

 

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You can watch that fight and admit you had no clue about him. One guy had an American hype machine behind his pro career and the other guy had Russian criminals running the show.

 

Miroshnichenko could fight! According to Boxrec he won 3 of 4 vs. Bowe and Lewis in the amateurs. What happened in the Maskaev fight? Looks like the kind of guy who with good management could have been a top fighter.

 

I think it's just an Occam's Razor thing....Maskaev could knock almost anyone out with the right punch. I know he mysteriously died via falling down a flight of stairs, but I think he'd chosen to retire by that point.

https://www.ringtv.com/658189-best-i-faced-oleg-maskaev/

 

I have just watched that fight, and I wanted to thank you for having discover it to me. The way Bowe came back was great after that disastrous 1st rd.

 

It’s awesome.