1997 Lennox Lewis vs 1974 Muhammad Ali

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Who wins and how

  1. Ali KO/TKO

    17.3%
  2. Lewis KO/TKO

    8.6%
  3. Ali decision

    44.4%
  4. Lewis decision

    29.6%
  5. Draw

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. Webbiano

    Webbiano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I’ll take the ATG heavyweight that’s in their prime.
     
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  2. Devon

    Devon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Foreman walked forward in predictable patterns, walking straight into the fast Ali straights, Lewis wouldn’t fall for the traps, he’d aggressively probe with the lead left, feint and would set up combinations when Ali got to the ropes, unlike Foreman who was throwing blindly and walking forward.
     
  3. Reallymakesmethink

    Reallymakesmethink New Member Full Member

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    That version of lennox would beat the brakes off '74 ali
     
  4. White Bomber

    White Bomber Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Not against those boxers.

    Liston was over 40 years old.

    Now you're contradicting yourself. You disagreed with my claim that these boxers did not land clean on Ali, now you're making my point.

    The blinding crap has been debunked long ago. Angelo Dundee dismissed that theory. He said:"'People said Liston put liniment on his gloves to blind Ali, but that was a crock. It was either Monsel's Solution (a coagulant to treat cuts that was legal at the time but is now banned) or else it was the stuff they kept rubbing on Sonny's shoulders between the rounds".

    Foreman did not land full power bombs on Ali's face, he just landed some arm punches, huge difference.
    He did land some great shots on Ali's body, but that showcases Ali's tremendous endurance to body punches, not his chin endurance.

    No he didn't. I'm talking about bombs where you put your body's entire weight behind the shot, not arm punches.

    No, Shavers didn't. His power has been grossly exaggerrated.

    Ali had no Parkinson whatsoever at that point in time, you are talking crap.

    He was gifted an undeserved win, Shavers won that fight.

    What Frazier said is meaningless. Frazier was a limited one armed boxer who only had 1 good eye.

    Ali developed that into his latter years, not very early. Again, you're talking crap and you're clueless.

    No he didn't. He was never hit with clean bombs by the 2 best heavy hitters he faced, Liston and Foreman.

    Hand speed wise, he's not.

    He's no top dog.
     
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  5. BCS8

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    I'll take Lewis. The guy who will be in constant danger of getting a mountain falling on his head will be Ali. Ali has nothing to hurt Lewis with. Moreover, it's Ali who will be on the end of Lewis' very long jab and who will need to take risks to land punches. I guess he might be able to beat a flat Lewis on a bad night but if Lewis coming in smoking I reckon Ali gets beaten up.
     
  6. Ney

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    Funniest thing I’ve read all year! A riot!
     
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  7. Melankomas

    Melankomas Prime Jeffries would demolish a grizzly in 2 Full Member

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    Lennox close decision, grandpa Holyfield gave Lewis a close one second time around, I can’t see why pre-Manila Ali couldn’t do the same.
     
  8. Ney

    Ney Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Anyone picking either fighter as some easy, sure thing is talking nonsense.
     
  9. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Active Member Full Member

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    He wasn't tho.
     
  10. Smoochie

    Smoochie wdym "there are no greb videos" ??? Full Member

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    Now I know that it's a hard fight to score but not really, Earnie himself has said that he lost after re-watchin' it iirc.
     
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  11. Boxing_Fan101

    Boxing_Fan101 Undisputed Available bookgoodies.com/a/1068623705 Full Member

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    74 Ali didn't have the footwork to avoid Lewis for 12 rounds but the 67 Ali now this is a genuine 50/50 fight
     
  12. White Bomber

    White Bomber Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He was
     
  13. Smoochie

    Smoochie wdym "there are no greb videos" ??? Full Member

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    Is it? I could see that version easily dominatin' Lewis. I know styles makes fights, but I always have an hard time figurin' out who could beat that Alì.
     
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  14. Boxing_Fan101

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    Lewis has the size, power, technical skills and boxing iq to make it a very difficult night for Ali

    Not saying he would win but I think Lewis has the best chance of any heavyweight to beat a prime Ali even then it would be a very close fight
     
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  15. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Active Member Full Member

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    If you believe some guy who don't have any proof, then yeah, lol.
     
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