1997 Roy Jones easily beats any version of Rocky the BUM Marciano

Let's see...hmmm,....Roy Jones' chin vs. Marciano's "Suzie Q"...the verdict is Marciano by murder. You can't believe that 'china chin" Roy Jones would have stood up to Marciano's firepower...your delusional....Marciano proved that he could take it...Jones showed that he could not...

 

This level of astuteness should be cherished by all.

Jones was KO'd at the age of 35, an age at which Marciano was... oh yeah, that's right...

eating 50 pounds of lasagne a day and hording dildos in coffee cans.

 

Suzie Q versus a middleweights chin - only one winner ''SUZIE Q''.

 

This is 100% correct. Marciano was much larger naturally, walking around, than he showed on fight night. If you see him sitting next to Floyd Patterson in this film: [url]https://archive.org/details/FloydPattersonVsGeorgeChuvalo[/url] at 33 seconds in you can see how much larger he was naturally than Patterson who was naturally larger than Jones. Its not a stretch to suggest that despite Jones roiding up unnaturally Marciano is going to be the much bigger, more robust fighter in the ring if they met. Marciano was famous for his spartan lifestyle in training, grinding himself into excellent condition. Its unheard of in this era but Marciano actually trained himself into perfect condition and came down to an actual fighting weight. Jones on the other hand was unnaturally blowing himself up and adding steroid muscles to a naturally small frame.

Lets also keep in mind that at 40 years of age Roy made 169 for Trinidad illustrating quite clearly that even in his prime he was not naturally anywhere near Marciano's size. Any attempt to argue against this point is merely a fanboy wanting to ignore yet another disadvantage for Roy in such a fight.

 

Nino Valdes was far from a Dariusz Michalczewski. Michalczewski was Champion for a million years in the same division Jones was claiming to be the Champion of and never lost until he was way past prime. Valdez really was nothing special and got a gift vs. Charles (the fight was in Miami, he's Cuban, pretty much a hometown decision) that's why Charles got the fight with Marciano. Charles was a much better fighter than Valdes and people cared about a Marciano vs. Charles fight. Valdes blew his chances by clearly losing fights he needed to win. Charles should have got the wins vs. Harold Johnson and Nino Valdes, so quit with that he lost 2 out of his last 4 B.S. Charles was clearly the 2nd best HW at that time.

Archie was still kicking much asss and kept on kicking asz until he ran into Floyd Patterson. Archie dropped Marciano, Marciano got right up and went back to kicking Moore's azz for the rest of the fight. Moore was down 5 times in the fight.

Walcott had always been hot and cold and toward the end of his career he had never been hotter. His questionable loss to Louis, the great effort in their rematch, the 4 tough fights with Charles, one great fight with Marciano. Walcott was also a guy who would rise to the occassion when he fought the best. Now, keep that in mind and remember... Marciano stopped him in the 1st round of their rematch, less than 8 months later.

Don't underestimate the importance of durability.

 

Hopkins does not seem to be a small LHW to me. Others may disagree.

I'm sure he along with 99% of athletes has used steroids in the past. My point stands. Get the Jones vs Ruiz against the Rocky v Moore and you won't be calling Jones a midget.

 

this video is pathetic it is an effect of the camera, one man is in the corner and the other one is in front. i have seen they together in picks and rocky is more robust but patterson is wider of shoulders, they had similar thorax, and of course the reality is not like you watch it in this film with this effect

 

this is the way I see it, Roy may not get up, Marciano a super strength and power guy vs Roy's exposed tiny chin, if Tarver and Johnson scored one-punch KO'd what would a Marciano,Dempsey,Tyson,Louis punch do to that child's chin

 

To be fair though, Marciano, Rocky, Dempsey and Louis can knock a man out regardless of what their chin is like. Durability doesn't really come into it.

 

yes, plus if you have the glass chin of jones you will get raped early lmao

 

This isn't a non-contact sport. RJJ wasn't essentially 50-0 because his opponents mailed it in because of his vaunted reputation alone and didn't even try and land anything. They just couldn't land cleanly and with any regularity. And, RJJ is not past prime or long in the tooth in ring years. He is prime.

Rock's short 68 inch arms have the same difficulties as every one else and his Italian mobility and agility the obvious insurmountable hardship in cutting off RJJ. The other problem is the same one every one else had. RJJ is a damn good puncher and won't be having any difficulty tattooing an advancing Rock with impunity.

I don't doubt he approaches the fight with the same concentration, energetic fear if you like, and respect for Rock's power that he did when giving away thirty pounds to Ruiz. I also fully expect he does quite the same thing and unloads everything under the sun on Rock early and in punch for punch (plus two) answer to his assault and gains his respect. Respect for being far far too quick to believe for Rock and respect for having a cracking hard left hook and straight right that busts Rock's face up and shakes him to his boots every bit the way posters imagine Rock can do to RJJ. The difference is one guy is easily hittable and the other is not.