19lbs with no change in bodyfat percentage

creatine, good one.

Creatine doesn't make you look pregnant with your organs trying to pop out of your belly.

 

Did you measure his BMI on his debut, and again for the Cornish fight?

 

**** me, he's a genius who can eyeball %'s. Bow down to that man, he's clearly a genius.

****ing idiot.

 

while that is true there is no hiding the clues that point to PED usage

 

I used to care, but every cnut does it. It's practically State sponsored in Russia and China.

It's almost a waste of time worrying about it.

 

BMI has nothing to with it, unless his height has changed

 

Overeem was a weird case.

Clearly had to move up as he had NO stamina at LHW, but he took it to another level outside of the UFC, though. EPIC viewing circa 2010!

 

of course virtually every top sportsman takes PEDs ...why wouldnt they?

you would have to be dumb not to

 

You have to understand that we're talking about muscle weight and not just 'weight' gain... The OP is talking sense. The gain wouldn't be out of this world if you said it was an untrained person, but to take a guy already carrying alot of muscle an years of training under his belt to then put on 20lbs in 2 years whilst remaining around the same BF% is odd. You have to remember each year you train the less gains you can generally make. It slows down year by year.

 

Haha that whole fiasco made me laugh. I mean I even saw a few people saying they feel gatlin is clean now lol. Yeah ok he ran his fastest time ever this year, so that pretty much says while he was on steroids he was slower... if thats the case why would anybody use them if you can perform better without lol. The gatlin case is so obvious he's still using :yep:yep

 

Haha creatine.. good one. You obviously have no idea what creatine does. Increasing calories would also increase fat gain, which is the point the OP is making. Little to no fat gain...

 

Realistically, about 95% of the world's top boxers, amateur and professional, use or have used PEDs. At heavyweight it's probably 100%.

We don't have to examine physiques and argue about weight gain and bodyfat percentages, or single out any particular fighter. It's just part of the sport. You're not going to get far in this game without using drugs - at least to some degree.

 

Have taken creatine many times and ended up with pretty decent muscle gain actually fella, not quite AJ size but 200lbs or so