1st Round - 140 Pound Tourney - Carlos Ortiz vs. Joe Gans

I go with Carlos Ortiz. Joe Gans was the greater fighter but he would fight outside of the rule set of his day what would give the edge to Ortiz.

 

Ortiz for me, Gans cant counter this great fighter enough to get the decision imo. Ortiz can go downstairs on him, bang away with that great educated pressure, and Gans may have his best times of the bout there, being able to box and work good counters, but Carlos has success there also. I think Carlos would likely box towards the end of the bout, both men are good there, good chessmatch, but i see Ortiz as doing the better boxing outside, maybe his body work earlier on would allow help him with that also.

Ortiz imo.

 

I just can't see Gans doing anything with that Ortiz jab. After rounds of point-getting and wearing down I see Ortiz battering Gans inside and stopping him in about 14 rounds.

Scartissue

 

The whole tournament is a joke, where old-timers are concerned. Everyone pretends to be an expert on Gans, McFarland, Leonard, etc. Educate yourself by reading some next-day reports before you give an explanation of your prediction, or any prediction at all. The way they are now is plain laughable.

 

Feel free to give your own opinion on the bout Senya! Sorry i dissapointed you

 

One of the conditions of the tournament should have been listing the fights you used to draw analogy for the matchup, similar styles, etc. Ie, in this case, listing Gans' opponents that were similar to Ortiz, and what happened when he met them. For some reason I think, except for myself, nobody else on this forum would be able to do that.

 

Yeah we will build you a shrine someday :roll:

 

Crawl out of your own ass please. You can't say that there aren't any others on here with knowledge in such areas moreso than yourself.

The draw is made, and then we have to try and analyse how each would deal with one another, there are ways to go at that, even if Gans might not have faced a Carlos Ortiz clone. Fuk, i came at you in peace after your initial annoying post, and you still just went and **** on the thread and my reply to you.

 

Tough matchup, Gans and Ortiz are all-time greats.

From what I have read, Gans was a SUPERIOR boxer, had a lethal punch, and was a master, hence his nickname "The Old Master".

Ortiz was also a complete fighter.

I'd say "draw".

 

Simple as.

 

Come back to me with any user on this forum who knows Joe Gans' opponents well enough to compile a list which of them may remind Ortiz, or whose fights with Gans could be used to draw an Ortiz analogy. I doubt even Monte Cox could do that if he was posting here.

 

If you'd be willing to share your wealth of footage of Gans with the rest of us, I'm sure we could all be just as educated. As it is, the footage of Gans available doesn't lead me to believe he was modernized from a technical standpoint, nor was a guy like McGovern.

 

There is footage of only four Gans' fights available that I know of, vs McGovern, 1st (1hr 15min highlights) and 3rd fights (three rounds of it) with Nelson and Kid Herman fight (9min highlights). But obviously I wasn't talking about the footage, as none of the four fights reminds Ortiz stylistically. Besides that I have next-day reports of all 188 Gans fights currently listed at boxrec, and hundreds of fight reports of his opponents.

 

That's good. You're undoubtedly more well versed on Gans than myself. I'm simply saying that of the footage available, regardless of his dominance and success in his era, I don't feel that the sport had yet progressed to a modern state in terms of technique in the era he was fighting, and it's proven by not only footage of Gans, but others around that era as well. Just my opinion.

This is why I typically don't like to compare fighters in a head to head sense of completely different eras (with the modern era coming into play around the 40's ever since).