1st Round - 140 Pound Tourney - Tony Canzoneri vs. Ricky Hatton

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  1. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Canzoneri.

    For all Tony's supposed troubles with swarmers, he was able to obliterate Berg with a single right hand in their third fight, and beat Ambers when he was past his prime.

    Hatton is maybe a bit underrated, but Canzaoneri makes him pay for his headlong rushes, busts him up, and grinds him down to secure a late stoppage.
     
    Drew101, Oct 23, 2008
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  2. natonic

    natonic Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You presume that people on here don't know thier boxing history. Do you think of Berg as a swarmer?

    As for Tszyu and Castillo. Did they do anything of note after losing to Hatton? Were they maybe a little past best when Hatton fought them or should we assume he ruined them?

    Hatton is a bigger man than Floyd Mayweather too. How'd that work out for him? Hatton fought one Prime, Great fighter and got knocked out.
     
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  3. natonic

    natonic Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Over the hill Tszyu & Castillo = Kid Chocolate, Arizmendi, Ambers, McLarnin, Klick , Berg, Bass, etc. Really?

    "A good big man beats a good small man"

    I agree. However, a good big man can lose to a great small man: Leonard - Lalonde, Mayweather - Hatton, Jones - Ruiz, Hopkins - Tarver, Duran - Moore. I could go on and on. I just don't see where Hatton is far more accomplished than these guys listed.
     
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  4. Sweet Pea

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    :lol: How simple.
     
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  5. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    :bush
     
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  6. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yep Canzoneri getting his ribs broke
     
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  7. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I presume that 99% users on this forum haven't read reports of Canzoneri's fights with Bass or Berg I, yet consider themselves experts of Canzoneri based on his boxrec/CBZ record, a few praising articles, and the most "advanced" ones having watched several highlights of his fights (out of how many fights he had?). He didn't look skillful or clever compared to real master - Barney Ross. Highlights of Kid Chocolate fight if I recall it correctly (didn't make notes) showed it was a robbery. Et cetera. He was good, and has a very good resume, but head-to-head he had weaknesses against both boxers-punchers and swarmers.
     
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  8. Nemesis

    Nemesis Well-Known Member Full Member

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    the man has a point :deal
     
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  9. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Such as who?

    The guys you mention like Ross and Chocolate aren't boxer punchers or swarmers. Even someone like Johnny Jadick (who beat Tony in Jadick's backyard, where Philly fighters often receive great hometown cooking) wasn't a swarmer or a boxer puncher.

    Canzoneri had problems with boxer types, not really with swarmers or boxer punchers. Nearly all the guys that got the better of him were boxer types, Ross, Chocolate, Mandell, Jadick, Ramey etc.

    Against swarmers and boxer punchers, he beat the likes of Berg, Petrolle, Ambers and McLarnin. The cream of the crop. His losses to Ambers and McLarnin came at the tail end of his career after he had bettered them in previous bouts. Sure, he lost to Billy Petrolle and Berg as well, but overall he proved himself the better fighter of the two over their series of fights.

    As for this fight with Hatton, if we're taking Canzoneri on his best night against Hatton on his best night, I can see Tony winning a close decision or possibly knocking Hatton out. Tony was resilient as ****, and Hatton wouldn't wear him out like he did an old Tszyu who's stamina and resilience were questionable at the best of times. Canzoneri would stand his ground and invite Hatton to war with him. Hatton will have success muscling Canzoneri around due to his bigger size, but he will be catching receipts for his efforts and Canzoneri is a much more able in-fighter than Tszyu who pretty much needs room to operate effectively.

    Hatton will do well early in the fight whilst he's fresh, but down the stretch I see Canzoneri getting his opportunities to fight more effectively on his terms and outboxing Hatton with sharp counters as Hatton tires a little.

    Canzoneri has it to knock Hatton out, but I think a close points win is the more likely scenario. Perhaps 9-6 or so on the cards. Maybe even a little tighter because of Hatton's good work early on.
     
    sweet_scientist, Oct 23, 2008
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  10. Brian123

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    Canzoneri won 5 world titles in 3 different divisions so prime for prime weight does not matter here. History I believe will rate Hatton better than we do today but Canzoneri would win a UD in a good fight.
     
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  11. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    SS, you are asking questions that require time and multiple look-ups (for quotes) to answer it. I don't have enough time right now. Blitman pressed Canzoneri. Routis lost the early rounds, but came back strong, Canzoneri tired and got badly battered and outpunched in the later rounds. Et cetera. Yet you want me believe he is going to finish strong against Hatton. Sorry, but I just don't see it.
     
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  12. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well, Hatton was on the verge of being Ko'ed against Luis Collazo in the final stages of their fight, you want me to believe that he will be finishing the stronger against Canzoneri? (Hey, if you want to bring in featherweight fights, i'll bring in a welter one).

    Bottom line is though, Tony proved his ability to go the distance and finish strong in many fights, and against better pressure fighters and brawlers than Blitman and Routis. I'd like a bit more confirmation of Tony's struggles to finish strong before I think he has anything to worry about in finishing strong against Hatton or has a problem finishing strong in general.
     
    sweet_scientist, Oct 29, 2008
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  13. TommyV

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    Good fight. Two aggressive fighters who like to slug it out. He wasn't overly powerful, but more clever than Hatton on the inside, and very tough. He could also box a bit more than Hatton. I think he takes this via decision.
     
    TommyV, Oct 29, 2008
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  14. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I have the complete fight with Chocolate, and I thought Canzi won it, sure Choclate had his movements, but it was a easy fight to score.
     
    Dempsey1238, Oct 29, 2008
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  15. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Umm except its harder to fight a big man than it is a small man
     
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