1st Round - 140 Pound Tourney - Tony Canzoneri vs. Ricky Hatton

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  1. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Exactly. Which is why Canzoneri beat McLarnin, Berg, Ambers and Petrolle whilst losing to Blitman and Routis.:good
     
  2. la-califa

    la-califa Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hatton gives it a good go. But Canzoneri much too talented. Canzoneri 15 rd. Decision.
     
  3. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You are speaking in general statements, "proved his ability in many fights". If you want to have a discussion, bring them on, exact quotes from fight reports, such and such pressured Canzo very hard, but Tony rallied strong in the later rounds. I gave you exact examples where he struggled, you can't just dismiss that and point me to Tony's boxrec record to see how many fights he had against whom, it doesn't work that way.
     
  4. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Do I have to rely on reports? How about if I point to fights I've seen?

    Every single fight I have with Canzoneri features him finishing the stronger fighter. I have fights versus Berg, Klick, Petrolle, McLarnin, Ambers, Ross and Chocolate. In every single one of those fights he finishes the better than his opponent.

    Do I have to describe the bouts?

    Against Klick, Klick wins the first round with his clever boxing and then slowly gets worn down, gets his eye shut and eventually gets stopped.

    Against McLarnin, Jimmy gets off to a good start and wobbles Tony early on, but Canzoneri comes back and slowly seizes command of the fight. Over the last few rounds he is battering McLarnin all over the ring.

    Tony dominates Lou Ambers, knocking him down multiple times, including in the last round, as he outmuscles and outhits the younger, supposedly stronger and more tenacious fighter.

    Against Berg, Jackie goes in trying to brawl with Canzoneri thinking as the bigger man he holds the advantages. He quickly finds out he isn't going to push Canzoneri over as Tony stands his ground and trades on even terms. In the third Canzoneri lands a left flush on the chin and Berg goes to sleep.

    Against Ross, Ross is outboxing Tony before he starts to tire and Canzoneri starts to come on. It isn't enough to pull it out but he is definitely the fresher in the final rounds.

    Neither Chocolate's nor Canzoneri's wills were broken after 15 barnstorming rounds, but after Kid's foot and hand speed died a little, the fight was dictated on Tony's terms with his heavy, relentless body punching. I had kid taking all of one round after the sixth.

    I've leant my copy of Canzoneri's fight with Petrolle to Dempsey, so I can't review it now, but as I remember it was a beat down from start to finish. Perhaps Dempsey can watch it and give us a brief description of it.
     
  5. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So which of the fights you listed have Canzoneri vs a swarmer, the fight lasting the full distance or ending between 10-15 rounds?
     
  6. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    McLarnin and Ambers both tried to overwhelm Canzoneri with their greater size and activity and both weren't able to do it. Tony hit too hard and had too much stamina, DESPITE being probably past his best for both.

    Petrolle tried to slug with him as well and got beat mercilessly.
     
  7. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Personally I'd like to hear about the 15 round encounter between Berg and Canzoneri. That should shed some light on this issue.

    Berg was a swarmer with great stamina, and Canzoneri won their bout, although it was marred by a controversial foul.

    Do you have any reports on the fight Senya?
     
  8. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's been a while since I saw them last time, but I don't recall McLarnin or Ambers belonging to swarmer style.

    Here's their 1st fight. NY Times report:



    BERG IS WINNER OYER CANZONERI

    Gets Decision in Ten-Round Bout Before 20,000 Cheering Fans in the Garden.
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    CONTEST IS HARD-FOUGHT
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    English Lightweight Clearly Shows Superiority, Surviving Perilous First Round to Triumph.

    By JAMES P. DAWSON.

    Jack (Kid) Berg, tireless little English fighter, pounded his way to the front ranks of lightweights last night in Madison Square Garden where, before a crowd of about 20,000 fight fans, he conquered Tony Canzoneri, former world's featherweight champion. For action, excitement and savage, determined fighting the bout has net been excelled here in recent years.

    Fighting the most important ring struggle of his career, Berg rose to the occasion by giving Canzoneri one of the worst beatings he ever has experienced and winding the decision to the complete satisfaction of the crowd which jammed the Garden.

    However, the official verdict was not unanimous. Referee Mike Hylas voted for Canzoneri, a minority vote which was outweighed by the ballots of Judges Patrick and Le Cron, carrying the victory for Berg.

    Berg Clearly the Victor.

    The decision, however, should have been unanimous, for Berg clearly established his right to the award by carrying five of the ten rounds against three for Canzoneri. Two sessions were even.

    Berg, a tornado in action, survived a dangerous first round to come back fighting fearlessly and tirelessly and at a strength-sapping pace, flailing away with both hands in a ceaseless fire to win the second, fifth, seventh, eighth and ninth rounds beyond shadow of a doubt.

    Tony, meeting his rival's rushes with well directed, solidly placed jarring lefts and rights to the head and jaw, and painful stabs to the body, took the first session, and in rallies against the human windmill he was battling garnered also the fourth and sixth. In the third and in an exciting tenth, Tony held his foe even only by a superhuman effort.

    Berg Overwhelms Rival.

    Courage and grim determination won for Berg in the final analysis. A light hitting fighter of the mauling type, who swarms all over a rival, driving and delivering punishing but not painful blows from all angles and in an unending stream, Berg simply overwhelmed his foe and overcame the best that Canzoneri had to offer. In the end Tony looked the beaten fighter he was in a battle which was an upset, for Canzoneri entered the ring a favorite in the betting at odds of 3-1.

    The Brooklyn lad, cut over the right eye in a collision in the first round, over the left with an overhand right in the third, staggered under a right to the jaw whose impact was increased by Tony's forward momentum in an exchange in the seventh. Canzoneri left the ring showing the marks of battle. Berg, on the other hand, was unmarked. Berg weighed 134 1/2 pounds and Canzoneri 133. The paid attendance was 18,885 and the gross receipts $60,084.

    Sammy Dorfman, east side stable mate of Berg's, won the decision over Harry Carlton, Jersey City lightweight, in the semi-final of ten rounds. Dorfman proved too fast, shifty and clever for Carlton and won quite handily. Dorfman weighed 132 1/2, Carlton 135 1/2.

    Herman Perlick Beats Zeramby.

    A spirited rally over the last few rounds earned Herman Perlick of Kalamazoo the decision over Jake Zeramby, Boston, in the first ten-round struggle. Ferlick's consistency on the attack overcame a poor start. Perlick weighed 137 1/2 pounds and Zeramby 135 1/2.

    Henry Perlick, one of Kalamazoo's lightweight fighting twins, received a draw with Eduardo Cordi, Argentine lad, in their six-round bout, but quite a few of the onlookers held the conviction the award was complimentary to Cordi. Perlick weighed 135 pounds and Cordi 134 1/2.

    In the opening bout of four rounds Petey Hayes, east side bantamweight, won the award over Davey Brown.
     
  9. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Do you have a report from their 15 round rubber match?
     
  10. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah, but as the AP report noted:

    "Berg, lacking in the early rounds much of the dash and incessant punching ability he displayed in his rise to the position of a title challenger, ..."

    It was pretty much one-sided, maybe four rounds could be given to Berg. James P. Dawson of the NY Times mentions that:

    "But if Berg was weary as the final bell sounded so was Canzoneri."
     
  11. sweet_scientist

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    Pretty selective reporting, but thanks anyway.

    I'm guessing what you left out is all the praise Canzoneri was given for thoroughly dominating Berg.
     
  12. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What I'm trying to point out is that this is not right to take the last fight between Tunney and Greb, watch several other Tunney fights, and conclude that Tunney will beat Greb-like fighters easily.
     
  13. Jadickkin

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    Johnny 'JABBING' Jadick, as he was known, WHOOPS Canzoneri once again.

    Although Jadick did not have a knock out punch, he did know how to box as evidenced by his jab.

    Not bad for a first generation American from Ukraine.
     
  14. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ahhh.... my beloved 140 pound tournament, which unfortunately died in the ass....
     
  15. teeto

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    bring it back, bring it back,

    sweet scientist, boom bye aye!!!!!!