2 guys both same weight and speed, one is strong one isnt, do they hit with = power?

Tendon properties, level of CNS activation, muscle wisdom, technique, lack of co-activation, muscle pennation, fascicle length, point of tendon insertion, muscle stiffness etc. etc.

This is a stupid question that can't be answered (especially not with the level of understanding being displayed here) because there are too many factors and individual circumstances. But if you'd like to listen to idiots claim that it's all about a simple equation like body weight x velocity then go ahead.

 

You're right in a way, for all high speed movements the greater the isometric contraction at the distal ends of the link the more the force is transferred to the tendons, which then recoil at a higher speed with higher force (as long as the muscle-tendon unit is stiff enough).

 

No, you can't know and anybody who says that you can is lying. There are plenty of theories but a lot of research needs to be done still before you can conclusively say "This is the recipe for power".
What is known is that for a throwing motion like a punch is that forces are summated and that your tendons multiply the speed and power. What this means is that your muscles need to perform work on preferably stiff tendons (Think of them as a thick rubber band), your muscles need to hold force at a high level to stretch and transfer the energy to your tendons.
When you punch you generate force by pushing into the ground and transferring that force through your mid section before releasing it through your arm. The stretch between your hips and shoulders is extremely important, your hips need to stop before your shoulder twists into the punch; this ensures that you get a good stretch and recoil through your midsection.
I believe that's where a lot of fighters fail in their punching chain, boxers are always taught that power comes from the legs and being fast... You see fast guys like Bradley or Malignaggi and people ask why they can't punch, they tend to punch with their hips and shoulders moving at the same time. You then look at someone like Golovkin or Pacman and you'll see that their hips are always very stable at the time they release their hands.
Bradley and co. look fast but their fist at the point of impact isn't accelerating like Golovkin's or Julian Jacksons is.
Golovkin and co. are multiplying their force through a throwing motion throughout the punch, Bradley and co. are moving quickly but pushing it from the waist up so forces don't summate.
It's a coordination/motor movement issue primarily but strength is very important as well.
It's not about how fast a guy is from A to B, it's about what is happening at the point of impact.
A guy might be big and slow looking but if you look at how efficiently he summates his forces through the mechanisms I talked about then he may be a devastating puncher and his fist might be moving a lot faster at the point of impact than a guy like Andre Ward who is a fast body mover but again is slowly pushing a punch at the point of impact.
Look at any good puncher form Foreman to Jackson and you'll notice the stability of the hips and that their fist seems to be gaining something as they're still connecting.

 

The recipe for power is God. If God chooses that you have power, you have it.

Everything that you have, God chose for you.

If you want the answer, read the Gospel.

 

**** off troll. Plus everyone knows the real answer is in the Koran. Or the Sunday Times.

 

Why do you call me a troll? Just because my training methods differ from yours, doesn't mean I'm a troll.

I did lift weights for a decade.

I got solid numbers, high pfp strength. But thank God I switched to calesthenics.

You know, it was a blessing that I found out about advanced calesthenics.

Hopefully, you find out about it too. Good luck and God bless.

Take care of your body.

 

Cheers. You go kill yourself now.

 

The reason why someone who is slower and lighter can hit harder than someone bigger and faster is because they transfer motion better. Basically technique.

 

In this example the force wasn't delivered by the second boxer, for reasons as you mentioned. Like I said in my example, all things being equal, including the delivery, the outcome can be predicted every single time.

In your example, and in a real life example like the OP proposes, all things will not be equal. If one guys arm buckles, obviously he's not going to hit as hard as someone with a solid punch.

However, my point is, arm strength (beyond the amount needed to deliver the punch in a technically perfect way) has nothing to do with it.

Because Roy had shitty punching technique. He threw a lot of arm punches while he was off balance. The reason he was successful was because of blinding hand speed, which allowed him to land shots the other guys didn't see coming. Those are always the ones that **** you up.

Look, dumbass. You obviously don't know **** about phsyics, so let me school your simple ass before you clog this guys thread up with more irrelevant nonsense.

1. Mass and weight are not the same thing.


The mass of an object refers to the amount of matter that is contained by the object. The weight of an object is the force of gravity acting upon that object.

Mass is related to how much stuff is there and weight is related to the pull of the Earth upon that stuff.

The mass of an object (measured in kg) will be the same no matter where in the universe that object is located. Mass is never altered by location, the pull of gravity, speed or even the existence of other forces. For example, a 2-kg object will have a mass of 2 kg whether it is located on Earth, the moon, or Jupiter; its mass will be 2 kg whether it is moving or not (at least for purposes of our study); and its mass will be 2 kg whether it is being pushed upon or not.

On the other hand, the weight of an object (measured in Newton) will vary according to where in the universe the object is. Weight depends upon which planet is exerting the force and the distance the object is from the planet. Weight, being equivalent to the force of gravity, is dependent upon the value of g - the gravitational field strength. On earth's surface g is 9.8 N/kg (often approximated as 10 N/kg). On the moon's surface, g is 1.7 N/kg. Go to another planet, and there will be another g value. Furthermore, the g value is inversely proportional to the distance from the center of the planet. So if we were to measure g at a distance of 400 km above the earth's surface, then we would find the g value to be less than 9.8 N/kg. (The nature of the force of gravity will be discussed in more detail in a later unit of The Physics Classroom.) Always be cautious of the distinction between mass and weight. It is the source of much confusion for many students of physics.


2. Force, Strength and Power are not the same thing.

Force is the capacity to perform work. It has both quantity and direction. We would speak of "the force of gravity" for example. It is measured in newtons (N).

Power is the rate at which work is done, commonly measured in Watts (W).

Strength is generally the ability to resist deformation. It cam be measured in a number of ways, crushing strength for example may be measured in megapascals (MPa).

Obviously you are that idiot. Assuming that your brain didn't explode trying to understand this post, do us a favor and go read a book with your simple ass.

Brother, I gave you the answer in my first post. If you don't believe me, go to any gym and watch people hit the bag. Its obvious in seconds that technique = punching power.

If you don't want to watch the entire video, just watch the from where they show Houston Alexander to the end. They explain the entire process scientifically and very clearly. If it wasn't true then how do you explain a 140lb woman with a great ass punching harder than a 200lb male MMA fighter with ripped muscles?

Its not magic. Its easily explainable by science. Don't let the 15yr old, wanking to porn in their rooms trolls on ESB sway you into thinking otherwise.


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Through the position of the Head. :good.

 

There are lots of boxers with brittle hands...Floyd Mayheather for example... atsch

As for the skinny wrist argument... how about this guy? You know, former wold champion and known badass, Tommy Hearns? He had skinny arms and small hands.

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Actually, if you do your homework, Hearns was NOT a big puncher before Steward, so he's a perfect example to prove MY point.

He had skinny ass arms but he was tall and had good reach. I'm sure if you go fact check you will see this is what Steward said.

Steward showed him the same techniques he showed Lennox and Wlad (both monster punchers) and suddenly, *alakazam* Hearns turned into a powerhouse.